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LDS Visions or Revelations a Consideration for Their Danger as a Source of Authority for Everyone Else, Including Baptists

The visions or revelations of Joseph Smith came about in America at a time in this country when many others were receiving their own visions or revelations, paving the way for Smith’s and the acceptance of his by others.  The United States was a land of equality, equal opportunity, and populism.  It despised a king and state religion.  It liked, loved really, democratic society, where everyone’s voice was heard, and it was, therefore, acceptable to get your own personal revelation from God as a part of your personal relationship with God.  That spirit is still very alive in America.  Americans distrust their own institutions and this is woven into the fabric of being an American.  That includes the institution of the church.

In early nineteenth century, especially on the frontier, people operated in many unconventional ways, depending on superstitions in medicine, farming, and predicting the weather.  It was not unusual to use dowsing to find water with a special, forked stick.  People could see signs everywhere, giving them guidance from above or within.  Snake oil salesman got their name in this era, literally selling snake oil, promising cures to almost anything, circumventing the conventional manner of tending to one’s health.

Joseph Smith was 14 years of age when he had his first vision or revelation from God, and the Smiths, Joseph Smith Sr. and mom, Lucy, weren’t members of a church.  Joseph Jr. didn’t come up with the idea of getting visions.  It was a thing to have.  Only special people had them.

The Smiths couldn’t find a church they liked or agreed with, were still looking, and then Joseph ‘heard from God’ that there was no true church to join.  Convenient.  Churches have set beliefs and if you are a rank and file non-clergy, you might disagree, your opinion probably doesn’t count for much, and you don’t have a means of having your own in those situations.  You might not want the church doctrines and practices imposed on you and also their financial obligations.  You want a church where perhaps everyone could share, like is seen in the first church in Jerusalem in Acts chapters 2 and 5.  That’s what churches should do, accept your way and then take care of you with little expectation.

On top of everything above, even though there was freedom, it was tough to navigate the new world, especially if you were not born into wealth, grinding it out to earn a living.  Many made it through subsistence farming, sometimes succeeding, perhaps enough to invest in a cockamamie get-rich-quick scheme, lose everything and start over again.  People still are very allured by the suggestion of some easier path to success, willing to subject themselves to whatever comes along that promises to work better, reinventing the wheel.

Joseph Smith lived in an environment, a culture, that someone could believe that God was talking to him directly.  All of the new, astounding doctrines and practices of LDS came by this manner, contradicting doctrines and practices hitherto already established in the history of Christianity:  the preexistence of human souls or spirits, God was once a man on another planet before being exalted to Godhood, celestial marriage, polygamy, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not the same being, God organized the world but did not create it from nothing, and proxy baptism for dead people.  It was also revealed to him through a story that all of these beliefs were the original truth that had been lost and buried for 1400 years.  On many occasions, Joseph Smith and then other Mormon leaders received revelations at a time that fit whatever it was they needed to hear from God to make a pronouncement to deal with that situation.

Matthew Bowman writes in The Mormon People:  The Making of an American Faith (pp. 10-12):

 

The Smiths had unwittingly moved into an ideal location for a family with unresolved spiritual yearnings, the center of what one historian has called “the antebellum spiritual hothouse” and another “the burned-over district.” . . . . The optimism, instability, and freedom of the New York frontier were life’s blood to the eclecticism and experimentation always to be found at the margins of mainstream Christianity.  The Shakers, for instance, so named for their physical worship services, had fled to America from a disapproving Britain under the leadership of Ann Lee, whom they believe to be Christ reincarnated.  In the United States, they found fertile ground for both converts and settlement, and in 1826 they established a colony less than thirty miles from Palmyra. . . . North of Albany, the farmer William Miller sat by the fire in his home in Low Hampton, New York, feverishly working out the precise date of the Second Coming from the book of Daniel for his thousands of followers, who were convinced that they needed no trained pastors to interpret scripture for them.

But the Smiths had always been drawn — particularly Lucy — not to such visionaries but to the more mainstream ecstasies of evangelical revivalism.  The force behind revivalism was the Methodists, who . . . urged potential converts to embrace Christ in a personal divine encounter.  At Methodist camp meetings, itinerant preachers, though frequently uneducated and even unlettered, learned how to muse the Holy Spirit among their listeners.  Between rousing and sometimes raucous gospel hymns, they offered not prepared sermon on doctrinal topics but emotional appeals, promising forgiveness, warning of hell, reaching their hands to the heavens, and pleading with the crowd to leave sin behind and walk forward to be saved in the arms of Christ. . . . “Men are so spiritually sluggish,” declared Charles Grandison Finney, the great revivalist of the age, “that they must be so excited that they will break over their countervailing influences before they will obey God.”  Finney’s talents shone in a month-long revival in 1830-31 in Rochester, a few miles from Palmyra, in which he converted hundreds. . . .

The sort of spiritual manifestations the Smith family had already experienced were not new to most revivalists.  Portentous dreams were common particularly among itinerant Methodist preachers, as were the type of healings and providential manifestations Lucy had experienced. . . .

It was in this atmosphere that Joseph Jr., then a young teenager, began thinking about religion.

 

The ecstasies and visions of revivalism were the seedbed or hothouse for Joseph Smith and the new religion.  What makes this acceptable?  Some might say, because what they revealed was not false.  I don’t know that they can say, that what they’re saying is in fact true.  How do you know it’s true, if it is?  Someone could say, it’s scriptural.  Well, then you don’t need a vision or a revelation from God.  It’s already in the Bible.  If cannot be proven to be false, then it is an acceptable vision or revelation.

If someone can hear revelations from God, how do those differentiate from scripture?  If they are from God, that is equal to scripture.  One cannot accept visions and revelations as from God.  That opens up Pandora’s box.  It’s not acceptable.  And yet it is today.  You really can’t question it.  You’ve got to accept whatever version of it.  How does a LDS today distinguish evangelical visions from their LDS ones?  It really just buttresses the point of Mormon visions and revelations, that God is still talking to men.  He’s still talking to Mormons.

LDS do not have a kind of closed canon of scripture.  They have their continued visions, their continued revelations, even if they don’t like the LDS teachings, which many  LDS has a problem with, and with their prophets.  What has pushed LDS along is their continued revelations.  I had a long talk last Saturday to an LDS man, coming out of the garage of his big house, a CEO of a small software company, and he disconnects from LDS doctrine, but he’s got his own testimony, his own experience, his own way of connecting with God, so he can pick and choose.  LDS is fine with that.  They encourage it.  They might call it “the burning in the bosom.”  Before Joseph Smith got his first vision, he prayed James 1:5, and that’s become the pattern of LDS since then.

I estimate that a majority of Baptists still get direct messages from God.  They call it different things, but these impressions are authoritative, nonetheless, very often for some of the major decisions of their lives. When they give testimony to the important decisions, they don’t say, it was scriptural, my church was fine with it, so I had the liberty to do it, so I did.  They say, I knew, God told me.  Sometimes God also told the spouse, as a validation.  Both knew.  Both heard.

The one who questions the experience is the one who says he’s in authority, he’s a king, taking away from the egalitarian nature of receiving visions. Some kind of exegesis of an authoritative book is not sufficient for a genuine Christian experience.  Obviously there are contradictions, because many have been excommunicated for contradicting the vision of someone in authority, Smith or Brigham Young.  The acceptance of a democratic community fine with your receiving your vision or revelation is the level playing field.  Revelations aren’t just for the elite few, but for anyone.  This is the “antebellum spiritual hothouse” that we still live in.

The Church of Christ: Preach the Word of God, Preach Politics, or Preach Conspiracies?

Preach the Word or Politics?

In 2 Timothy 4:2, the Bible commands: “Preach the Word,” referring to the “all Scripture” of 3:16 with the Greek anaphoric article on the “the” of 2 Timothy 4:2.  God commands His Word to be preached, and nothing else, in the church of Jesus Christ. Does this exclude preaching on political topics?

 

Preach the Word KJV 2 Timothy 4:2

 

Sometimes preaching the Word means preaching what the Word says about politics.  For example, the Bible condemns abortion and sodomy, teaches free market economics and a limited government instead of socialism or communism and an intrusive government, and favors republican government over monarchy or dictatorship.  It is entirely appropriate to preach what Scripture teaches on these and related issues and to make appropriate contemporary application, whether through following what 2 Timothy 3:15-4:2 implies–expositional preaching through entire books of the Bible–or through topical messages on Biblical issues.

 

Do we see preaching on contemporary politics taking place in the New Testament?  Matthew 14:1-4 reads:

 

1 At that time Herod the tetrarch heard of the fame of Jesus, 2 And said unto his servants, This is John the Baptist; he is risen from the dead; and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him. 3 For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias’ sake, his brother Philip’s wife. 4 For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.

 

The first Baptist preacher made the clearly true, unquestionably verifiable statement that Herod should not have taken his brother’s wife. We have no other political statements at all from him, and it does not even appear that the Baptist declared the unlawful incest of Herod in a sermon–rather, John “said unto [Herod]” directly what the ruler had unlawfully done, also reproving Herod for all the evils he had done (Luke 3:19). So John made a clear Biblical application of a political matter in a personal way to the ruler in question.

 

What about the Lord Jesus?  Christ called Herod a “fox” (Luke 13:32). This also was not in a sermon but in response to a question the Lord was asked.  In every recorded sermon the Lord preached, and in all His teaching in the NT, there was nothing about the terrible political things going on in His day—which He could have used His omniscience to describe and warn about with perfect accuracy—but Christ did warn a great deal about false religion, the worst thing that was taking place in first century Palestine (and the worst thing happening in our day).

 

The sermons in Acts contain nothing about the dirty power plays in the Roman empire or other political events.  The closest one gets is Paul proving that he was not a lawbreaker in court settings.  Paul also used his rights as a Roman citizen (Acts 16:37; Acts 22), so Christians should use the voting rights they have in free nations.

 

So we have one statement from John the Baptist, made directly to Herod and not in a sermon, one word, “fox,” from Christ on politics, here again not in a sermon, and nothing in the apostolic preaching in Acts.  Paul used the political right he had to protect his life and advance the gospel (Acts 22), and also used his citizenship to protect the Philippian jailer and his household from their heroic, selfless, and extremely dangerous act of taking Paul out of prison into the jailer’s home (Acts 16:37).

 

What about the New Testament epistles? In the epistles, there are no warnings about current politics at all.

 

So is it lawful to make application to current political events in sermons? Based on what Christ and the first Baptist practiced, it is certainly lawful.  However, it is also certainly not the emphasis of the New Testament.  The balance found in the NT epistles is to spend 99% of the time on giving people God’s unsearchable truth; when naming evil men and evil deeds to focus on religious corruption; and occasionally as a legitimate application of Scripture to point out the evil in the secular political world.  Indeed, God’s infallible truth, powerfully preached, will do far more long-term good, even politically, than changing God’s pulpit into a place of political commentary.

 

A congregation where people did not know that the Democrat party overwhelmingly opposes religious liberty and promotes abortion and sodomy would be poorly informed.  Application of the Sixth Commandment would properly inform people of the indisputable facts right in the Democrat party platform.  However, a congregation that does not know what the books of Zechariah or Ephesians are about (for example), but hears all sorts of things about contemporary politics from the pulpit, is also not following the New Testament balance.  They should hear far more in the Lord’s house about the Joseph of Genesis than about Joe Biden.

 

It is true that the Old Testament prophets spoke more about the misdeeds of their rulers and of other nations than one finds in the New Testament.  This fact should encourage us to be gracious rather than judging harshly that contemporary politics are alluded to too often by other pastors or other preachers.  However, we should also keep in mind that Israel was a theocratic nation-state–a political nation among other political nations. The king was not just a ruler, but one with a religious position over God’s people. The surrounding nations were not just people groups, but idolatrous enemies trying to destroy the kingdom of God on earth and stop the coming of the Messiah and the consummation of God’s redemptive program by wiping out Israel.  It may therefore be a better comparison if we consider Jeremiah warning the king to submit to Babylon as comparable to the harsh and specific NT warnings against false religion rather than the equivalent of someone preaching about the misdeeds of secular political rulers.

 

Furthermore, speech about political rulers must follow Romans 13:

 

Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (Romans 13:7)

 

John the Baptist said nothing disrespectful to Herod.  Even Michael the Archangel did not rail harshly against Satan, who indubitably deserved it (Jude 9).  Even if a secular political ruler is very evil–as most of them are–and very hostile to Christianity–as many of them are–we must show them fear and honor in the same way that we must give them tribute or pay taxes–God requires it.

 

So preaching legitimate applications of Scripture on politics is right, but making politics central to the church is not, nor should the church follow politically conservative heathen in their reviling of those with liberal political views.  Respect is required for all men, and especially for all rulers, even if they personally do not deserve it in the least.  Remember that you don’t deserve respect in and of yourself, either.  You deserve hell fire, but God gave you grace despite your unworthiness.  He calls you to show respect in the same way to unworthy political leaders who He has ordained (Romans 13) for His own ultimate glory and wise purposes.

 

Preach the Word or Conspiratorial Politics?

 

What about political conspiracy theories?  I have already addressed this to an extent in my posts “Satanic Conspiracy, COVID-19, and the Church’s Response.” (My thoughts on the COVID vaccine specifically are here, with some broader comments on medicine here.)

Social media conspiracy theories

 

Notice that what John the Baptist said about Herod was 100% true, credible, and unquestionably verifiable. Herod had taken his brother’s wife and was openly living with her.  The same holds true for the Old Testament prophets. The Moabites had certainly burned the bones of the king of Edom into lime (Amos 2:1).  (Since the New Testament epistles do not deal with any political controversies, they contain no examples here at all, but their silence does still teach us something about proportion, as already noted.)

 

Contrast that with, say, the dangerous semi-religious cult, the QAnon conspiracy, which believes various political leaders in the USA are engaged in pedophilia and Trump was going to expose them and send them to Guantanamo Bay, and made many other false predictions coupled with unfalsifiable affirmations.  Is there a deep state cabal of pedophiles, or whatever other conspiratorial affirmation?  Before someone believes something of this sort on a personal level, he needs to make sure that he has carefully weighed the evidence, not just for such a conspiracy, but against it (Proverbs 18:17) lest he answer a matter before hearing the evidence properly, which is folly and shame (Proverbs 18:13).  If, for example, QAnon is really a movement of Satanic slander, as many born-again Christians affirm, then affirming its truth would be displeasing to the Lord.  Consider the principles in the post “Shame, Folly, and Conspiracy Theories.”  Do my affirmations in favor of the conspiracy meet Biblical standards of evidence?  Certainly conspiracies should not be promoted in the pulpit in Christ’s churches unless they really have extraordinary evidence for their extraordinary assertions.  It was easy to verify that Herod had an unlawful spouse.  He did not deny who his consort was.  It is much harder to prove that a particular person engaged in abominable acts with minors when nobody allegedly involved says it happened, there is no forensic evidence, etc., and nobody seems to care about it except some extremely fringe social media people who have very dubious evidence to back up their expansive claims.

 

Let us imagine that someone at one’s workplace told a lie one time out of every twenty statements that he made.  We would consider such a person to have a severe lying problem.  While conspiracy theories actually have a truth value that is far closer to 0% than to 95%, let’s imagine that a preacher starts preaching political conspiracy theories and is actually correct 95% of the time.  He would still be breaking the Ten Commandments 5% of the time—a grave lying problem.  “Thou shalt not bear false witness” does not have any exception for discussions of politics.  It does not have a 5% exception.  Slander is a grave sin, even if one is slandering a political leader with a terribly anti-Biblical worldview. Slander is still a grave sin, even if one is slandering someone as verifiably crooked as Hillary Clinton.  If she is crooked in one way you are not lying to say it, but if you accuse her of something she did not do it is slander.  Yep, it is still a sin to slander even her.

 

Preacher, let’s be much harsher on ourselves than on others as we evaluate these things, and make sure our own sermons are 100% accurate, respectful, and non-slanderous.  Nevertheless, whoever makes an inaccurate statement, even if he is convinced it is true by slick-sounding misinformation and is sincerely beguiled by enticing words (Colossians 2:4), is still breaking the Ninth Commandment.  We are not to engage in such behavior ourselves, because the devil is the father of lies (John 8:44). We are not to tolerate it in our houses, because “he that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight” (Psalm 101:7).  We must not bring it into Christ’s church, because that is the place to preach the infallible truth of the Word (2 Timothy 4:2) as the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15), not the place to preach what is either verifiably false, or even only possibly true but uncertain, or even what is true but is not exposition and application of the Bible.

 

So preach the Word—not politics.  Follow the pattern of the New Testament in how much politics is talked about in church.  It is not 0%, but not that far away.  It is very far from the emphasis.  Following the New Testament pattern both honors Christ, the One who told the church what to preach, and also promotes liberty in the long-term in a far more effective way than an unbiblical lack of balance that turns the Lord’s church into a Super PAC.

 

So preach the Word—not conspiratorial politics, because preaching a conspiracy, unless it is absolute truth, risks committing the grave sin of slander in the place where only what has an infallible “thus saith the Lord” should be proclaimed, for that alone gives glory to Jesus Christ, the great Head of His church.

 

TDR

The Evidence of Things Not Seen

In the King James Version, Hebrews 11:1 calls “faith,” “the evidence of things not seen.”  How is faith itself evidence?  Does the English word “evidence” in the King James Version mean the same thing as what we think it means today?  It is close, but I believe there is evidence (pun intended) to say that “evidence” in Hebrews 11:1 means something a little different than what we think it means.Faith itself doesn’t seem to be evidence as we understand the meaning of evidence.  It is based on evidence, but not itself evidence.  Evidence itself is proof.  The slight difference in understanding would be that faith is the “proving to yourself” things unseen.  The Greek word elegchos is found only here in the New Testament.  However, the verb form, elegcho, is used 17 times in the New Testament, it would have the same root meaning as the noun, and it’s classic and first usage in the New Testament is found in John 16:8, used by Jesus:

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.

“Reprove” translates elegcho.  According to Jesus, this is the ministry of the Holy Spirit, and He “reproves the world of sin.”  The meaning of “reprove” in John 16:8 is “convicts,” which is a legal or judicial term.  It is translated “convinced” in 1 Cointhians 14:24, as in an unbeliever is convinced through preaching, we should assume, scripture that is itself proof.  It is to prove someone to be guilty.  Someone is proven to be guilty by presenting evidence.  The noun form would be “conviction.”  That is the word that should be our understanding of “evidence” in Hebrews 11:1, “conviction” in the legal or judicial sense of the word.The English word “reprove” has the term “prove” in it.  That is often how elegcho is translated:  “reprove.”  It is used in 2 Timothy 4:2:  “Preach the word. . . . reprove.”  Use the Word of God to prove the guilt of someone.  Present evidence from scripture that someone is wrong or needs to change.  Elegcho is also used in Titus 1:9:

Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

It is translated “convince.”  Use the Word of God to convince those not convinced.  Hebrews 11:1 could be understood as “the convincing of things not seen.”  We know that God wants us to be convinced, because faith pleases Him (Hebrews 11:6).  We can’t please God if we are not convinced about Him, which would mean that we’re convinced about the reality of Him, the truth of Him, and the will of Him.Matthew Henry wrote about the second half of Hebrews 11:1:

Faith demonstrates to the eye of the mind the reality of those things that cannot be discerned by the eye of the body. Faith is the firm assent of the soul to the divine revelation and every part of it, and sets to its seal that God is true. It is a full approbation of all that God has revealed as holy, just, and good; it helps the soul to make application of all to itself with suitable affections and endeavours; and so it is designed to serve the believer instead of sight, and to be to the soul all that the senses are to the body. That faith is but opinion or fancy which does not realize invisible things to the soul, and excite the soul to act agreeably to the nature and importance of them.

I agree with what he wrote.Someone might ask, how is faith evidence if faith is not by sight?  Isn’t evidence sight?  I agree that those two concepts can’t contradict one another if they are both true, and they are both true.  Therefore, the proving or convincing doesn’t come from something you can see out there in the world, but from the means by which God chose to prove Himself, His Word.  Like Paul wrote in Romans 10:17, “Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.”  Hearing isn’t seeing.What’s out in the world does agree with the Bible.  God originated both creation and scripture.  People’s problem with what they see out in the world is not what is to be seen, but the interpretation of what they see and for two reasons.  One, their sight is flawed because of sin.  Two, what they see isn’t neutral.  They are looking at evidence that has been trampled upon.  It’s not a closed environment.  They aren’t looking at something pristine.  They don’t know enough to make an accurate interpretation of what they are seeing.  Only God knows enough and He also doesn’t have lying eyes like we do, so we’ve got to trust what He says.  If we trust what He says, then we honor Him, glorify Him (1 Corinthians 1-3).People very often do not like the idea of being convinced by scripture.  They want “evidence,” which means to them scripture doesn’t prove anything.  You’ve got to go outside of scripture to “prove” something.  Scripture is sufficient for convincing, for proving, for faith.  It is superior to evidence, even as Peter writes in 2 Peter 1:19.Scripture is superior to experiences, even genuine experiences.  Just because you don’t think Jesus is coming back, based on your impression or feeling or what you think you see through history and all around you, it’s not true.  Scripture says He’s coming back.  The second coming of Jesus is the particular doctrine that apostates reject and scorn according to 2 Peter.  They attack scripture, because that’s the basis for believing in the second coming.  They go further in rejecting divine intervention, so they live like God doesn’t exist.You are not a dummy if you live based upon scripture.  You are not one if you use scripture to convince people.  Very often professing believers stop using scripture to persuade someone because they are embarrassed by it.  Paul wrote that he was not ashamed of the gospel of Christ (Romans 1:16).  The gospel as a method of persuasion is what God wants.  That makes it the smartest method ever used by people who are more than genius in relying on it.

My Conversations with Numerous Exvangelicals

Exvangelical sounds like either a misspelling or a bit too much cleverness, I would agree, but for the sake of this post, I’m sticking with a word of which I’m reading its contemporary usage.  Of all the words in the title, it gets your attention because it doesn’t sound like a word.  Perhaps I’ll help you in future Scrabble endeavors.I regularly knock on doors of young, ex evangelicals, who grew up in church or a Christian home.  Now they aren’t going to church and a large majority of the time, they don’t have the faith any longer.  It is occurring and even as many of you readers know at an epidemic level.  Churches are hemorrhaging their young people.  Social media spreads the idea like a virus, and all the new forms of communication instantly create an interconnectedness in these exvangelicals that strengthens them against repentance or a return.  They bind together and encourage one another in their apostasy.  For those related, this is very, very sad, as sad an occurrence as they experience in their lives, putting new wrinkles on their faces and more grey in their hair.I’ve had many long conversations with some of these young exvangelicals.  I haven’t gone out of my way to talk with them.  It’s just happened.  Even though they may come from varied backgrounds and situations and different types of evangelical churches, they are all very similar.  For two reasons, I’m writing on this subject:  the long talks with young exvangelicals in person and an article that was written by a Grayson Gilbert at Patheos, entitled, “I’m Not All That Impressed With Exvangelical Deconstruction Stories.”  Gilbert is the polar opposite in that he started where exvangelicals have ended, so he was where they presently are, except seeing it from a unique perspective.I don’t write this post to critique Gilbert’s piece, although I may refer to it, but to write mainly what I have found myself, and then discuss my approach to these exvangelicals.  When I meet one of them, I don’t know they’re there.  I haven’t targeted them.  They just appear without notice and the conversation starts like all the other ones I have.  In the midst of it, they start telling me some of their backstory usually to explain why it is that they might not need to listen to what I have to say.  They say they’ve already heard and thought about it a lot, and they turned away from it for various reasons.  Almost always part of their narrative is some kind of injustice in the group they left, that justifies their having left it.  In other words, something also happened that they didn’t like, so they can’t go back to it for personal reasons, which also serves to validate their decision.  If they were to return, they now contend would support the evil of the former group.What I have to say to them doesn’t bring back exvangelicals, but it has resulted in longer conversations, where it seems to me that they’re giving my preaching at least a consideration.  Like what we read in scripture, the real reason for their defection is why they are very difficult to persuade, so I see myself as just planting seed, giving them the best possible opportunity to come to the truth.  That’s all we can do anyway.Why would exvangelicals eject from Christianity or biblical Christianity at least, if biblical Christianity is the truth?Assume that not every exvangelical will want to talk with you.  They might be hostile.  Many times they will talk though.  I’ll ask, what happened that you left your group?  Or, why aren’t you in the church any more?  Many times they’ll give an answer.  I sympathize with them.  A lot of churches and groups have real problems.  One of the reasons that we can say they’re wrong though is because we can know the truth about what’s wrong, which also means we can know the truth about what’s right.  It would bother me though if the wrong thing was just normally or regularly allowed.  I understand why someone would want to leave, it’s like you’re paddling out to an island that has little to do with the mainland.  Why should you keep putting in that effort?However, just because your church or group went off or way off the rails, that doesn’t mean that the Bible or Christianity itself are not true.  I am here to say that Jesus Christ is the best, really the only valid explanation for why we’re here and what we’re supposed to be doing.From here, I treat exvangelicals a bit like people who say they’re atheists.  I ask, “So do you think all of this, all of this around us, got here by accident?”  It is very, very rare that I have anyone answer, yes, to that question.  I remind them that everything getting here by accident is the view taught in the state schools and it still can’t even be challenged there.  The viewpoint that represents, naturalism, the more we know from science, the more it’s proven to be false.  Darwin looked at a cell and it was just a blob.  Now we can see it under a microscope, and even the cell is irreducibly complex, let alone the human eye or any of our bodily systems.Science now agrees everything must have a beginning.  There can be no eternal regression of causes. Since the explanation for everything is supernatural, what is the true story?  What is the first cause?  When we look at what is caused, because we know it’s caused, it matches with the Bible.I talk to many, many religions, and I believe that every time I talk to one, I’m open to it being the truth.  Nothing comes close to comparing to biblical Christianity.  Christianity is different than everything else, because it is objective truth.  It has proof.  The Bible is historical, scholars agree with that.  Then there is prophecy and fulfilled prophecy.Greater than every other evidence of Christianity is Jesus Christ Himself.  How do you explain Him?  More has been written about Him than about all other historical figures combined.  There is more historical attestation of Jesus than Julius Caesar.  We date our calendars based upon Him.  In His writings, He speaks with absolute authority.  Who could say, Blessed are the poor in spirit; for theirs is the kingdom of heaven?  What He said could not have been said by someone who was just a man.  Then He rose from the dead just like He said He would, and after walking around for forty days so thousands of people could see Him, who were alive when the New Testament was written, He ascended into heaven before over 500 of witnesses.Everything in the Bible fits together.  It fits what we know to have happened.  When people have based their lives upon the Bible, they have thrived.  Its principles bring the success of a nation.You’ve finally got to bite down on something.  You’ve got to make a choice and Christianity blows away the other choices.  You could say that you don’t like the kind of proof of Christianity.  I like to say that the knowledge of the existence of God and the truth of the Bible is not like the knowledge of the existence of your right foot.  You don’t need to seek after your right foot.  God wants you to seek after Him.  You won’t find Him if you don’t want Him, and that’s how He’s designed it.  But the proof is there.Faith according to the Bible is not a leap in the dark.  It’s based on evidence.  Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (Hebrews 11:6).  God does want you to know Him.  The Pharisees and Sadducees of Jesus’ day wanted an astronomical sign, and Jesus said He wasn’t providing any more (Matthew 16:1-4).  He was saying, there’s enough.  I like to say, for anyone who cares, there is enough.If the proof isn’t the reason for rejection, then what is the reason?  Romans 1 says men have enough proof to justify God’s wrath.  They are holding fast or suppressing the truth in their unrighteousness.  2 Peter 3 says it’s because of their lust. They want what they want to do more than what God wants them to do.  They want to be in charge of their own lives.So exvangelical, just because you had a bad experience, you think, as a child or young adult, doesn’t mean Christianity is false.  For there to be hypocrisy, there needs to be a belief in something. If there is no belief, no one can be a hypocrite.  Don’t be upset at hypocrisy when you can’t even be a hypocrite.So why not bite down?   You’re not open minded unless you are willing to believe something.  If not, then you’re just closing your mind to everything.   You can always say that you don’t have enough evidence, but you’re just rejecting what is by far the best explanation.  Really, it’s the only explanation.Why take God’s free air, food, your circulatory system, your brain, all the good things, and be unthankful?  Use them all up for yourself without any kind of gratefulness to God?  That’s just rebellious.  You’re not going to get away with it.  You’ll get to the end and you’ll be separated from God and His goodness forever.  It won’t be over for you.  You’ll regret for all eternity.

Dealing with Typical Atheist Arguments Against God As Represented by the Late Christopher Hitchens

At one point about a decade ago, before he died at age 62 of esophageal cancer, Christopher Hitchens was included in a group of atheists titled, the four horsemen, ironically after the characters in Revelation 6.  They were also associated with what was termed, new atheism, still around today.  Hitchens had written a book, God Is Not Great, mainly a contradiction of a misstatement of an expression in Islam, God is great, which is actually, Allahu Akbar, “Allah is Greater.”  With his book title, Hitchens was more poking the eye of the religion of Islam than Christianity.

To boost the sales of his book, Hitchens toured the United States to debate all comers, especially in the Bible belt.  In a short period of time, he debated every one of the most well known evangelical apologists of theism, including William Lane Craig and John Lennox.  Someone of less prominence in debate, Douglas Wilson, also took on Hitchens in a series of debates from which a documentary film was made, Collision.  To promote the film, Hitchens and Wilson appeared on a television talk show hosted by Joy Behar.  The two made a nine and a half minute appearance on her show for a brief mini-debate, moderated by her.

The short interchange between Wilson and Hitchens offers a nice sample of arguments in particular coming from Hitchens, the professing atheist.  Someone will not get much different or even more from him if he had spoken two hours on the subject.  Even by his own assessment, Hitchens, one of the four horsemen, is not giving proof that God does not exist.  Wilson represents Hitchens’s arguments in this snippet in the sense that they’re only persuasive to someone already an atheist.  They’re already atheists and he says things they want to hear.  I want to take us comment by comment through the interview by Behar for the purpose of evaluation.

Behar introduces the two men, explains why she wanted this interview, New York City subway ads confronting belief in God, informs of the Collision documentary, hopes they won’t just rehash their debate, to which Hitchens says they won’t, and then she starts by asking Wilson for a nutshell case for God.  Hitchens does rehash the debate, because what he says is the same as he always does.

To begin, Wilson does not give a case for God.  He says that one of the things he would want to do is ask what you’re starting point is, who has the burden of proof.  He asserts that since the existence of God is self-evident, that burden is upon the atheist, the one denying.  Between the two points of view, both sides will assume their person has won.  Maybe Wilson preplanned his opening no matter what she might ask, because he doesn’t answer her question.  I wish he had instead given a nutshell case for God like she asked.  I think it is true that the burden of proof is on the atheist, but that isn’t how you win the debate.  You take the burden of proof upon yourself, even if you are a presuppositionalist, which Wilson is confessing.  God is self-evident in this world, but Wilson could take the role of a travel guide, explaining self-evidence.

Then Hitchens enters to call Wilson circular reasoning, and that atheists have no burden to prove God’s existence until there is extraordinary evidence of this extraordinary claim of the supernatural.  He says he doesn’t want to shirk a burden before he goes ahead and shirks it completely.  This may be what Wilson anticipates, that Hitchens isn’t attempting to prove God doesn’t exist.  Wilson believes neither are neutral and both operate based upon presuppositions, just that the burden of proof is on naturalism, not supernaturalism.  Wilson’s anti-theism then voices scattered, cherry-picked mockery of the biblical record.

Mockery works as a means of persuasion.  Naturalist apostates, who don’t want God as their boss, mock to make their point (2 Peter 3:3).  It’s not evidence.  It’s a kind of emotional coercion, taking advantage of people, who either don’t want to be stupid or just want the ridicule to stop.  In order, Hitchens references the biblical teaching of “eternal punishment,” “snakes talk,” “virgins bear children,” “and dead men walk.”  He says there’s never been evidence or a convincing philosophical argument, the latter of which can’t be true, since Hitchens was sent packing by the cosmological argument of William Lane Craig in their debate (watch it here).

None of Hitchens’s references relate to the truth.  Hitchens says everything comes about by accident and he says this is more beautiful than supernaturalism.  Why?  It defies science, because it violates second law of thermodynamics among other scientific laws.  Once someone can receive Genesis 1:1, everything is downhill for all the points to which Hitchens refers.  Someone can reject eternal punishment, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.  It’s harder to believe all of this order came about by accident and there is proof that isn’t true in DNA, irreducible complexity, and the fossil record.

Behar sides with Hitchens by asking Wilson if he really does believe in the talking snake and all the animals on the ark.  I don’t think Wilson believes people are animals, but his answer is, we’re animals and we can talk.  That really stumps Behar, which is why Wilson used it, but it’s not true.  Wilson borrowed from her view to illustrate absurdity.  I don’t think it was good, even as seen how Hitchens retorts with the recent acquiescence of Presbyterians to this view and the Big Bang, which also contradicts what Wilson says next about splitting the difference between faith and unbelief, muddling both.  Wilson should accept that supernaturalism means animals could talk, like Balaam’s ass, another example.

Joy Behar asks Hitchens about Jesus, and he says Jesus was not the Son of God, not virgin born, did not raise from the dead, and even if He did, it would match other mythological figures.  It is tough to answer these claims in less than nine minutes, but it is worth it to be able to do that.  It’s worth it to develop a few sentences that can answer the skeptic, like Hitchens came armed to shake up the Christian.  I believe the best route of attack is to go on the offensive against the impossibility of everything being an accident, and dovetailing that with the plan of God recorded in scripture.

When Behar asks Hitchens about Einstein’s belief in God, he deflects by saying that Einstein did not believe in a biblical type of God, but a pantheistic or deistic one, not one that we be involved in the details of one’s life.  Einstein is a bit of a red herring, not worth going down that road, but deism doesn’t mean that God wasn’t in charge of the details of someone’s life contrary to Hitchens.  Someone could make that come back, but God isn’t of the deist or pantheist view.  He just isn’t, so it’s not worth taking that tact even though some ground might be gained there.

Then Behar asks Wilson about the sky god, who might be interested personally in her television show.  Wilson takes a good path of quoting Jesus and explaining how that someone could believe in God’s omniscience or omnipresence without it being self-absorbed.

Hitchens ridicules Moses and the ten commandments, saying they’re more ridiculous than a talking snake, and that the teachings were around before then.  Wilson does well with this in explaining the ten commandments compared at least to the secular laws of other people.  He adds the argument of the necessity of police departments and armies to enforce them.  Hitchens just ignores those to say that the laws go on to treat women like animals and to justify genocide.  These are difficult to argue in a short period of time, but they aren’t representing what the Bible says.  One would need to start by denying that what Hitchens says is true, and give just as succinct version of the truth as Hitchens does error.

I’m not writing to say that it’s very important to win these short debates with atheists.  I am saying that it’s a good exercise to be prepared for what they have coming and give the best answer possible in the shortest period of time.  That’s what occurred with me for over thirty years going door-to-door in the San Francisco Bay Area.  To win the debate, you’ve got to go on the offensive.  Wilson didn’t do that.  Hitchens did.  However, what Hitchens reports is not true and given enough time, easy to swat away.  It isn’t easy in just a few minutes, so it would have been better to have kept him occupied with enough strong argument that Hitchens couldn’t have answered it in the time he had.  Instead, the reverse came true.

Are there grounds for going on the offense?  Yes.  Look at the spiritual armor of Ephesians 6.  All the pieces are offensive.  They are not meant for retreat, but for battle.  The Word of God is used as a sword.   Jesus was not a mythological figure and you should develop a statement from the Bible that is persuasive that He lived, He lives, and He’s coming back some day.  The shots that Hitchens takes are not proof for atheism, but an emotional appeal very much like what a school yard bully would use.  You can’t bring a knife to a gun fight.  You’ve got to take an aggressive approach and keep him so busy with your points from scripture, that he doesn’t have time to bring his emotional coercion.

It isn’t very likely that someone like Hitchens would ever engage you other than in a public debate, where he thinks he might be able to embarrass you and make Christianity look bad.  He probably wouldn’t even talk if you met him door to door or in some other forum.  The goal, despite the unbelief, is to preach the gospel, not win a debate.  However, the points that Hitchens brings with his arguments are not close to enough to detract from or undermine the truth of scripture.

Gender-Neutral Language in Bible Translation is Unscriptural

Many modern Bible versions employ what they call “gender neutral” language.  So, for example, the Authorized, King James Version of John 1:9 reads:

John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
by way of contrast, the New International Version reads:
John 1:9  The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world.
There is no textual variant here.  The Greek text reads:
ἦν τὸ φῶς τὸ ἀληθινόν, ὃ φωτίζει πάντα ἄνθρωπον ἐρχόμενον εἰς τὸν κόσμον.
ēn to phōs to alēthinon, ho phōtizei panta anthrōpon erchomenon eis ton kosmon.
The KJV translates the Greek word anthropos as “man”–which is what the word means, recognizing that “man” is the generic term for the entire human race, even as Adam, not Eve, represented mankind (Romans 5:12-19).
For another example, consider John 12:32.  The King James Version reads:
 
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
In contrast, the NKJV, New King James Version, reads:
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.”
There is no textual variant here either.  The Greek text reads:

κἀγὼ ἐὰν ὑψωθῶ ἐκ τῆς γῆς, πάντας ἑλκύσω πρὸς ἐμαυτόν.

kagō ean hypsōthō ek tēs gēs, pantas helkysō pros emauton.

The masculine form of pantas is properly rendered “all men.”  The NKJV alters the text to the more feminist “all peoples” to prevent “man/men” from being the generic word for mankind (oops, excuse me, “humankind”; using “mankind” might have been a microaggression and evidence of systemic racism and sexism).  Note also that here, as in vast numbers of other places, the NKJV is not simply updating archaic and hard-to-understand language in the KJV; “all men” is not hard to understand in the least.

For another example, note Matthew 25:40 in the King James Bible:
Matt. 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Compare the same verse in the New International Version:
Matt. 25:40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Here again there is no textual variant.  The Greek reads:

αὶ ἀποκριθεὶς ὁ βασιλεὺς ἐρεῖ αὐτοῖς, Ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, ἐφ᾿ ὅσον ἐποιήσατε ἑνὶ τούτων τῶν ἀδελφῶν μου τῶν ἐλαχίστων, ἐμοὶ ἐποιήσατε.

ai apokritheis ho basileus erei autois, Amēn legō hymin, eph’ hoson epoiēsate heni toutōn tōn adelphōn mou tōn elachistōn, emoi epoiēsate.

The plural adelphon, “brethren,” is from the Greek word  adelphos, “brother.” The “and sisters” is simply not contained in the text, but has been added in by the NIV translators to make their version more feminist.

When the New Testament writers, under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, translated the Old Testament, did they follow the practice of modern feminism and transform the inspired Hebrew Old Testament into something more “gender neutral”?  Or did the New Testament specifically use “man” as the generic term for all people–does it specifically make the male the representative of generic humanity?

Consider Romans 11:4:
 
Rom. 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
 
 ἀλλὰ τί λέγει αὐτῷ ὁ χρηματισμός; Κατέλιπον ἐμαυτῷ ἑπτακισχιλίους ἄνδρας, οἵτινες οὐκ ἔκαμψαν γόνυ τῇ Βάαλ.
 alla ti legei autō ho chrēmatismos? Katelipon emautō heptakischilious andras, hoitines ouk ekampsan gony tē Baal.

Romans 11:4 is referencing 1 Kings 19:18:

1Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Notice that the word “men” is not specifically contained in 1 Kings 19:18, but it is in Romans 11:4.  Furthermore, Romans 11:4 does not use the Greek word anthropos, which is commonly a generic word for “mankind” or the entire human race, but the word andros (lexical form aner)–“men” as “males.”  So when the New Testament, under inspiration, makes reference to the Old Testament, it is so far from removing masculine terms and making the Scripture more gender neutral that it specifically states “all men” in translating a less-specific original language reference.

The Lord Jesus Christ does the same thing as the Apostle Paul.  Consider Matthew 12:41:

Matt. 12:41 The men [andros, “males,” from aner] of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

The Lord Jesus is referring to Jonah 3:7-8:

And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man [Hebrew ‘adam, properly rendered “man” but frequently a generic word for the entire human race, not for “males” in particular] nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: but let man [Hebrew ‘adam again, frequently a generic term] and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.

When Christ refers to the Old Testament, He takes a more generic Hebrew word for “mankind” or “humankind” and employs the word aner, the word specifically for a “male … in contrast to woman” (BDAG).  Christ, speaking in Greek, does not make the Hebrew Old Testament “gender neutral.”  He does exactly the opposite.  Luke 11:32 indicates this fact as well.

So, what does the Bible teach? When the New Testament quotes the Old Testament, it translates and paraphrases the Hebrew in such a way that the text is less  gender neutral, not more gender neutral.

In light of the inspired and infallible practice of translation modeled by the sovereign, all-wise God, we should:

1.) Reject modern Bible versions influenced by feminism and gender-neutral language, from the New International Version to the New King James Version, and cleave to the Authorized, King James Bible.

2.) Reject gender-neutral replacements for classical terms for humanity. We should retain expressions such as “all men” and “mankind” if we are engaged in the holy practice of Bible translation ourselves.

3.) We should continue to use “man,” “mankind,” and such like terms in our own speech when reference is made to the entire human race.  We should follow the practice of Christ and His Apostles instead of bowing to anti-Scriptural feminism in our language.

4.) Recognize that feminists know exactly what they are doing when they seek to make the English language, and even more importantly, God’s infallible Word, less patriarchal.  They oppose patriarchy, while the resurrected Lord and Son of Man, Jesus Christ, their Creator, taught patriarchy Himself and led His prophets and Apostles to support it through what He dictated to them through the Holy Spirit from God the Father.  Let us consciously agree with the Father, the Son of God, the Holy Ghost, the Apostles, and the infallible Word of God, and support male headship in our common language and in our English Bible version.

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TDR

The Myth of the Recovering Fundamentalist

I’ve been a fundamentalist.  I’m not one.  Do I consider myself to have “recovered”?  I left fundamentalism.  I separated from it.  I didn’t escape it.  I didn’t recover from it.  I stopped being a fundamentalist.  I didn’t go through a process of recovery.  I saw it was wrong to be one, so I stopped being one.  I did some separation from fundamentalist organizations and institutions, but that’s not all that I’ve separated from in my life.  Sanctification itself is a process of separation.  Be ye holy means be ye separate.

If someone really understands fundamentalism, what it is, he knows there are good things about fundamentalism itself, including ideological and institutional preservation or conservation.  The idea of fundamentalism, which some fundamentalists like to use to describe their continued support of fundamentalism, has good parts to it, worthy of respect.  Those parts should be and can be kept.  They are biblical.   In other words, don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.

On the other hand, the concept of recovering from fundamentalism smacks of going back to something of normalcy in the realm of psychology.  “Recovery” is a common terminology now for “getting better” from mental illness.  Very often today it is used for the process of discontinuing an addiction to drugs or alcohol.  These are considered diseases and recovery includes treatment for the addiction so as to prevent a relapse.  People who use recovery to speak of fundamentalism or anything religious are treating it parallel to types of apparent mental illness or psychological disorders.
Fundamentalism itself isn’t a disorder or a mental illness or an addiction.  The use of “recovery” isn’t true.  Someone does recover from some illness or physical injury.  He might even recover from the pain of a difficult time in his life.  There may be a death in a family, a runaway child, loss of a job, repossession of a house, a splintered marriage, or a lingering illness.  Using recovery as a description of departing from fundamentalism is a pejorative to deride what someone came from.  It isn’t helpful anymore than it would be to mock Mormons after someone left Mormonism.
John Ellis professes to have been a fundamentalist and then to have become a drug addict.  He testifies that later he was converted to Jesus Christ, and on July 8, he wrote a post advocating the Recovering Fundamentalist podcast.  Ellis starts with this paragraph:

For those who didn’t grow up in it, the world of fundamentalism is beyond weird; it’s utterly foreign. How do you make sense of rules that often include things like prohibitions on women wearing pants and the condemnation of music with syncopation and watching movies in the movie theater? For those of us who grew up in fundamentalism, those rules, and their many, many companion rules, are well-known. However, most people lack a touch point for our fundyland experiences. This has resulted in ex-fundies using the internet, specifically social media, to connect and share our mutual experiences. These online relationships take many forms, from the nostalgic all the way to embittered wholesale denunciations. For many ex-fundies, though, our reminiscences take the form of an honest appraisal of the good and bad found within fundamentalism. Count me among that latter group.

Recovering Fundamentalist features three evangelical pastor friends, who, having left what they call IFB (independent fundamental Baptists) or fundamentalism, talk about their experience.   I would contend that they left a mutation of fundamentalism, a virulent, pragmatic form of revivalism or Charismaticism, a strain that especially affected the American South, even as sampled in their video, that is neither independent, fundamental, or even Baptist.  This contrasts almost 180 degrees from the beginning of fundamentalism, tied to The Fundamentals.  The perverse variety of revivalism that arose in the American South bares much resemblance to the new religion of the recovering fundamentalists.  They kept the philosophical underpinnings, while dropping the symbolism.  The apple didn’t fall far from the tree.
Fundamentalism itself isn’t the boogie-man of the recovering fundamentalists.  Southern revivalism had deep theological problems.  At the root of them was a form of mysticism, continuationism, and ongoing divine revelation.  God spoke directly to the leaders as manifested in numerical growth spurred by counterfeit manifestations of the Holy Spirit.  Also aiding the growth was pragmatic methodology the results of which were used as evidence of God’s work.  The standards set themselves up against cultural decay and the anti-intellectualism against the Northern, liberal elites provided a natural enemy, like Mormonism does with its persecution syndrome.  None of what I’m describing, again, is independent, fundamental, or Baptist.
The three “recovering fundamentalists” do not get an audience based on dense exposition of scripture, but based on the shared bitterness and malice of the misfits of Southern revivalism.  The Holy Spirit doesn’t manifest Himself this way either.  Their niche group isn’t holy or spiritual.  “Recovery” isn’t moving to something biblical, but shared experiences, another generation complaining about their teeth set on edge because their parents ate sour grapes (Ez 18, Jer 31).  Their authority is eerily similar to Southern revivalism:  audience size and anecdotes, like what would come in the illustrations of the revivalist preacher.  It’s like a Goth girl laughing at everyone else because they’re all just following the crowd.
The movement from which the three former “fundamentalists” recovered isn’t independent, because the Southern revivalists were tightly banded together around Charismatic figures and large organizations, based upon cleverness and oratorial abilities.  Part of their mystique was holding up the Bible and then preaching things that weren’t in it.  They were spouting their own opinions and gave people the impression that their thoughts were received from a direct pipeline to God.  There was vice-grip like control about the emphases of Southern revivalism, everyone taking from the same script or talking points, and if anyone left that script, he would or could be excluded from the group, and miss out as a headliner for a main conference roster or prominent mention in the newspaper or magazine.
As I have already written, the movement wasn’t fundamental either.  Fundamentalism was preserving the old and Southern revivalism is untethered from historical Christianity.  It is akin to all the various heresies that have risen since the first century, actually emulating some of the ones that have come on the scene.  At the root, it isn’t even Christianity.  It doesn’t represent the Jesus of the Bible, but for some of the same reasons that a perverse evangelicalism emerging from Southern revivalism doesn’t represent Him either.
The movement isn’t Baptist, because Baptists believe in biblical repentance and have the Bible as their authority — for doctrine, for practice, and for worship.  Practice includes methodology.  Baptists regulate their practice by scripture, not by  non-scripture.
The Southern revivalists had standards, ones actually closer to the Bible than the recovering fundamentalists.  They are not examining their standards based upon the Bible and the practice of biblical Christianity through history, but based upon a reflex rejection of the old standards.  They deem their new standards superior because they are different than Southern revivalism.  Mussolini may have got the trains to run on time, and throwing out fascism doesn’t mean slower trains.
Recovering fundamentalists emphasize standards as much as who they criticize.  They are left-wing legalists, who require wokeness, more egalitarian marriages, and worldliness.  The pragmatism is a left-wing pragmatism still using fleshly means to gather the crowd.  It is a new symbolism that is equally untethered from scripture.
Post-reformation church leaders said, semper reformada, always reforming.  I’m not attempting to validate reformers, just to say that mid-twentieth century fundamentalists saw a need of semper reformada, perhaps semper fundamentalista  The fundamentals of early twentieth century could not meet the downward trajectory of biblical sanctification.  True fundamentalists and non-fundamentalist true churches reacted with repulsion to cultural degradation that they saw entering the church.  Their militancy on cultural issues mirrored the early fundamentalist movement.  This should not be confused with Southern revivalism even though the latter took the same tact, much like Jehovah’s Witnesses go door-to-door.  The liberalism that started with doctrine moved to unravel holy living, and true Christians rose up against corrupted goodness and distorted beauty.
Hollywood isn’t a friend of biblical Christianity.  The movie theater that Ellis talks about is a danger.  It is a pollution of idolatry that the church in Acts 15 prohibited. The explosion of homosexuality and transgenderism didn’t start in a vacuum.  The symbols of God-designed roles were abandoned to conform to the world system.  Professing Christians who join them do wrong but also ignore the ramifications.  Ellis chooses to engage important issues with sound bytes in favor with lasciviousness.  Satan and the world system do not attack only the transcendentals of truth and goodness, but also beauty, and the avenue of an attack on absolute beauty does more to distort a right imagination of God than a distorted doctrinal statement. 
Southern revivalists popularized a false gospel accompanied by unbiblical methods.  That isn’t the interest of the recovering fundamentalists, because both the former and the latter depend on pragmatism.  New “converts” of Southern revivalism might never indicate conversion.  Neither will the evangelicalism of the recovering fundamentalists.  This is an identical perversion of the grace of God.  Southern revivalists mark sanctification by keeping the rules, but left winged legalists, like the Pharisees, reduce the law to the rules they can keep. 
Ellis and his recovering fundamentalists do damage to the belief, practice, and preservation of the truth, goodness, and beauty.  They don’t even recover from their earlier error.  They just change the label.  Do not be fooled by them.  Do not join them.  Their god is their belly, their glory is their shame, and they mind earthly things.

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