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Fried Preacher

Early Personal Considerations

When I was a child, growing up in an independent Baptist church, I thought God dropped pastors down from heaven, at least something like that.  Even when I was in high school and college, I regarded these men with reverence.  God was infinitely higher and greater to me, of course, but they topped everyone else.  As I became a pastor myself, despite still highly regarding the office, I held lower estimation of the men in the office.

For one, when I became a pastor, I knew for sure pastors weren’t dropped from heaven.  I knew I wasn’t.  Then spending more time with several other pastors in closer relations, I had to reevaluate my lofty estimation.  I don’t write this to engender any disrespect for the man or his office.  I still love pastors and have a better understanding how difficult the job.  Many pastors are friends.

Pastor As Sunday Afternoon Meal

The idea of fried preacher relates to a Sunday afternoon meal.  In the spirit of fried chicken, a church family after church instead serves up a delectable main entre of “fried preacher.”  I read someone explain: “My mother would always say we were having fried preacher for dinner.”

If you grew up in church, maybe you fried your preacher sometimes for Sunday afternoon dinner.  My parents never did.  I never heard one foul word about a preacher in my home from my parents.  It amazes me, because my parents had negative things to say about people.  Their preacher was never one of them.  It happens though.

The Apostle Paul himself became fried preacher by the Athenians in Acts 17:18:

Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

They called Paul a “babbler.”  This portends a great pastime of criticizing a preacher and his preaching.  I don’t think Paul was bad.  Maybe no better preacher ever existed.

Pastors Say and Do Wrong Things

Prove All Things Preached

People might say true things about a preacher and his preaching.  They are sometimes right about him.  He did things and said things wrong.  Preachers also sin.

When someone hears preaching, he should consider whether it is true.  To do that, he judges it.  Paul commands this practice in 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22:

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

What To Do with Error

When someone tests or proves the preaching and finds something bad, what does he do next?  Does he criticize the preaching to others, maybe at home at Sunday dinner?  No.  Scripture reveals a certain way to deal with the error of someone else.  The goal is restoration or reconciliation (Galatians 6:1).  You help someone get it right, when he’s wrong.  That’s God’s will.

If bad preaching becomes the pattern, this necessitates a stronger reaction.  The deficient preaching should be obvious.  Very bad preaching occurs all over today.   Probably more bad preaching exists than good.  When I say good, I’m talking about when in general the preaching is good with a small minority of duds or awful preaching mixed in.

Dealing with Bad Behavior

Every preacher will also behave badly.  Hopefully that’s not normal for him.  1 Corinthians 13:7 says love “beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things.”  You hope the best.  The goal isn’t to let a preacher get away with doing something wrong, but it is to believe the best about him.  That approach doesn’t tend toward frying the preacher.  Fried preacher doesn’t sound like love, does it?

It is hard to talk to certain pastors.  Like many other men, they don’t take it very well.  They could go further than that and say it’s mutiny, worthy of church discipline, heresy, or dishonor.  Some might try to destroy the critic, like Diotrephes, cast him out of the church, even without any due process.

Preachers Frying Preachers

Conference Cuisine

Preachers are also notorious for fried preacher.  No one can fry a preacher like another preacher.  Maybe the experience of frying prepares him to fry so well.  Preachers conferences can provide a kind of industrial sized instrument of frying.

I know another preacher who in recent days attended a preaching conference.  When he returned, he reported to another preacher friend of mine that the conference was a major and constant frying session of a non-attending man.  It was long, high temperature frying of this third party. They disintegrated him — “for the Lord.”‘  This kind of gang-style muckraking, one could even call, ganging up on someone.  Fifteen to twenty on one pouncing on him in a dark alley.

In Absentia

The crispified pastor wasn’t there to enjoy the benefits of this “helpful” criticism.  It was all out of his presence.  His critic preachers sat at meals doing so, identifying him by name.  It was all very fun and entertaining.  Sinful, but at the same time, in public they gave the impression they were in special alignment with God.

The conference attendees didn’t say anything to the preacher.  I know the preacher they fried.  He had no opportunity for self-defense.  He wasn’t there.  Fried preacher only occurs with the preacher gone.  Every preacher knows that.

The Prayer Request

In the fried preacher recipe book, the best chefs call fried preacher a prayer request.  Pray for preacher so and so, because he’s blah-blah-blah-blah-blah.  “Help me with my prayers.  What else can you say about him?”  Nothing to see here, they’re just praying for the guy.  Nothing to smell like fried foods.  You can smell that aroma from three blocks away.

Getting Caught

Fried preacher is a whole lot of fun in a conference setting.  The closer proximity brings a bonding among the participants, what some call a benefit.  If you can’t find doctrinal or practical unity, you could find a common enemy to bring everyone together.  It take just one person to report in order to cool the fry temperature.  Everything just turns soggy then.  Maybe you try to find out who reported to make the subject of your next gathering.

Accuser of the Brethren

One might wonder if anyone needed to say anything negative about someone who wasn’t present.  Scripture says a lot about the habit of this.  Everyone does it at some point.  Sometimes, people need to talk about a problem with another person.  When it spreads to an all-out gossip convention, this requires a commercial kitchen for such a fry fest.  This cannot, is not right.  Ever.  It requires at least a food service license in most states.

Revelation 12:10 says:

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Who is the “accuser of our brethren”?  God doesn’t need any “help” from the accuser.  This is Satan obviously.  Satan is the master chef of fried preachers.  To mix my metaphors, nothing is gained by backing up the dumpster and practicing demo-day on an absent fellow brother, stripping him down to the studs.

What Is Fried Preacher?

What is “fried preacher”?  About one hundred percent of this cuisine is personal aggrandizement.  It accomplishes lowering of the one fried and the supposed elevation of the fry chef.  Psalm 52:4 says, “Thou lovest all devouring words.”  Words are the oil in which a fried preacher fries.

The nature of the flesh, it loves hearing the scoop about someone when he isn’t there.  The flesh of someone loves gossip, except when it’s about him.  Then it’s something insidious or evil.

Is it ever wrong to say anything critical or negative about a preacher?  People must say the truth at times in a certain setting and in a particular way.  It usually starts with trying to help the man with whatever they think worthy of frying him.  Warning of the danger of a man or his teaching could come if a man is dangerous.  He should have heard about the kind of danger he is, first, at least from someone.

Men can expose false teaching in a public presentation.  They review the material and point out the error.  So then it becomes two people with public positions, who both interacted in public. Both are now open for review, which includes criticism.  No one is anonymous. This isn’t fried preacher.

For talk to be gossip, it must be without the target of the gossip present.  If he’s there, then it isn’t gossip.  That would be something akin to admonishment or exhortation.  Also, saying nice things about someone isn’t gossip.  Only disparaging comments about a missing person fit into the definition, even if they’re true.  That’s Fried Preacher.

Application in the Story of the Rift Between Paul and Barnabas, Starting in Acts 15:35-41

Acts 15:35-41:  Barnabas and Paul

The Jerusalem and Antioch churches settled a dispute in Acts 15.  After that, a rift occurred between long time fellow laborers.  Here is the text (verses 35-41):

35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.

36 And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

37 And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark.

38 But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.

39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;

40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.

41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.

I have heard at least 3-5 sermons in my lifetime on this passage and listened to many discussions on it.  In addition, I’ve read an abundance of commentaries and articles on this story.  Men take many, many different positions.  They describe it different ways.  The most common overall position I could represent with these following comments.

How To Take The Story

First, I don’t now who wrote this, but it mirrors the next three comments:

Either way, Luke does not write this account in such a way that puts Paul in the right and Barnabas in the wrong, or vice versa. They made a mutual decision to split ways because neither could agree with the other. In a way, they both were right. It wouldn’t have been productive for Paul to take Mark when he didn’t trust him, but Barnabas saw the long-term potential in Mark and gave him another chance.

Robertson

Second, here’s A. T. Robertson:

No one can rightly blame Barnabas for giving his cousin John Mark a second chance nor Paul for fearing to risk him again. One’s judgment may go with Paul, but one’s heart goes with Barnabas…Paul and Barnabas parted in anger and both in sorrow. Paul owed more to Barnabas than to any other man. Barnabas was leaving the greatest spirit of the time and of all times.

Gill

Third, I quote John Gill:

thus as soon almost as peace was made in the church, a difference arises among the ministers of the word, who are men of like passions with others; and though it is not easy to say which was to blame most in this contention; perhaps there were faults on both sides, for the best men are not without their failings; yet this affair was overruled by the providence of God, for the spread of his Gospel, and the enlargement of his interest; for when these two great and good men parted from one another, they went to different places, preaching the word of God:

Spurgeon

Fourth, here’s what Spurgeon said and wrote:

There was no help for it but to part. Barnabas went one way with his nephew, and Paul another with Silas. Mark turned out well, and so justified the opinion of Barnabas, but Paul could not foresee that, and is not to be condemned for acting upon the general rule that he who puts his hand to the plough and looks back has proved himself unworthy.

This separation, though painful in its cause, was a most excellent thing. There was no need for two such men to be together, they were each able to lead the way alone, and by their doing so double good was accomplished.

What Not To Do

What no one should do is to read into the text or the story and argue from silence.  No one should use this passage to show that he’s right and someone else is wrong.  It is a very weak section of a chapter to make strong, dogmatic application.  Even with quotes like the four above, some church leaders will read into Acts 15:35-41 application that just isn’t there.

Someone could say, “I’m Paul in this story, and the other guy is Barnabas.”  Well, how do you get to be Paul?  It reminds me of playing with my brother as a child.  I say, “You are him, and I’ll be this guy,” choosing the favorite for myself.  “Hey, let’s play these characters and I’ll be David and you get to be Saul. How’s that sound?”

The story of the divisive contention between two godly men says essentially the following to me.  This kind of division occurs between even two godly men, based upon differing opinions.  God does not come down on one side or the other in the story.  I could explain both men as wrong, or one or the other wrong, just using speculation.

Something to Learn

When a sad split occurs, one that we really, really wish wasn’t happening, this story with Paul and Barnabas says to us, “It even happened to Paul and Barnabas.”  It isn’t an example for division, an affirmation of fighting and severing a relationship.  God doesn’t leave out of His Word these types of events.  Almost anyone reading here know these kinds of incidents occur.

Later Paul and John Mark

Rather than depend on speculation, which is not rightly dividing or practicing scripture, the Bible gives non-speculative truth concerning the rest of the story.  A quite well-known fact, the rest of the New Testament says many good things about John Mark.  He wrote the gospel of Mark, which some call the gospel of Peter, even as the Apostle Peter was close to him (1 Peter 5:13).

The Apostle Paul also later speaks of John Mark well, working closely with Paul during his Roman imprisonment (Colossians 4:10, Philemon 1:23-24).  ,When the Apostle Paul is at the very end of his life, he writes 2 Timothy.  In that final state with his execution imminent, he says about John Mark in 2 Timothy 4:11:  “Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.”  In his final hours, of the few things he could request and of all people, he wanted John Mark.

Later Paul and Barnabas

The events of Acts 15 and the split between Paul and Barnabas occurred around 49-50 AD.   Paul wouldn’t have written 1 Corinthians until a few years after that at least, so at least 53, if not 55.  When Paul wrote 1 Corinthians, he wasn’t traveling with Barnabas anymore. Yet, in 1 Corinthians 9:6 Paul writes the church at Corinth:  “Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?”

The Apostle Paul wrote for the continued financial support for the missionary work of Barnabas.  He treated Barnabas as an equal to him in the work of the Lord, not something lesser.  Pay Barnabas.  He had the right to forbear working.  Muzzle not that ox that treads out the corn (1 Cor 9:9).  For sure, Paul wasn’t laboring toward the discontinuation of support of Barnabas, arguing to the church at Corinth that Barnabas should not receive money from churches.  Just the opposite.  He uses his name in the argument after the rift between them.

Whatever the rift in Acts 15 between Paul and Barnabas, it wasn’t there in 1 Corinthians 9:6.  He advocated for Barnabas as a missionary and for his receiving support as one.  That didn’t mean they still didn’t have a difference between each other.  Men have differences.  I’ve never met a man that did not have at least one difference with another man.  Some men think they’re always right in every single difference.  Everyone needs to submit to them.  They’re pretty close to stop listening to anyone else.

Judging Situations

I know my heart, that I’m sincere when I look at situations to judge them.  In addition, I’ve prayed and maybe even fasted.  Everyone else has got to be wrong.  And then later I find out that I’m not always right.  This is why the Apostle Paul could write in Romans 7:19:

For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Paul gets it wrong.  Everyone gets it wrong.  It’s even a law, a principle.  He writes about that in Romans 7:21:

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

When Paul would do good, a principle resides in him, like gravity, that opposes his doing good.  Always that law functions in his body parts when he would do good.  This is why everyone needs mediation, something Paul certainly understood by the time (60-62AD) he wrote Philemon.

Acts 15:35-41 is a wonderful group of verses in the Bible.  Everyone can learn from them.  At the same time, anyone could speculate about them too, and then go ahead and use them for personal reasons.

Paul Stands Against Peter and the Subject of Authority (Part Three)

Part One     Part Two

Authority of Scripture

To obey God and His Word, one must first believe in His authority and the authority of His Word.  I believe in God’s authority and the authority of His Word.  True New Testament churches submit to the Bible as their final authority. God and His Word also function through a hierarchy of authority.  He uses men.  In the first century, God spoke and ruled through apostolic authority.   Peter and Paul were uniquely God’s instruments.

The Pharisees and Sadducees opposed the authority of Jesus.  Jesus also attacked their faux authority.  The Pharisaical view of circumcision and eating with Gentiles arose from their traditions, not from God’s Word.  Jesus said, They “teach for doctrines the commandments of men” (Mark 7:7).  Their teaching was devoid of God’s authority.

In spite of their insubordination to scripture, Jesus did not debunk the office of the Pharisees, just the opposite in Matthew 23:2:  “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.”  According to Jesus, the Pharisees still sat in Moses’ seat.  They held the office.  They lost authority, however, by not obeying the Word of God, including that written by Moses.

In Galatians, the gang of false teachers, who traveled to Antioch from Jerusalem and said they associated with James, borrowed from the Pharisee’s tradition.  These men mixed certain rituals and traditions with a true gospel to concoct their false one.  The Apostle Paul writes against them in Galatians 2.  They had no authority, either scriptural or ecclesiological, to overturn the doctrine and practice of the Jerusalem and Antioch churches.  They looked out for themselves, not for God’s will or pleasure.

Pastoral Authority

God gives pastoral authority.  Pastors need it for fulfilling the important God-ordained task of overseeing a church.  God instructs members to obey pastors, assuming in scriptural and even non-scriptural matters.  Pastors shouldn’t expect obedience to something unscriptural.  Someone in a church may view a practice of the church to be unscriptural.

Our church did fundraising for our school.  A church member challenged a method we used.  He thought it was unscriptural.  Our principal didn’t think so.  I wasn’t sure.  We dropped the method and lost money.  It was the right thing to do.

When a pastor says, “I want everyone there at 9am,” that is a non-scriptural matter, but he has authority in it.  9am then means 9am.  A member should take that seriously.  If he wants everyone there at 9am, everyone should put their selves under that authority, the idea of “submit.”  This unifies a body, all the body parts working together.  Defying the authority as a pattern fits the definition of factious, even for not showing up on time.

Some of what I’m addressing relates to a pastor dealing with a pattern of disobedience.  He wants to help someone.  To do so, he comforts, exhorts, instructs, intreats, warns, and admonishes, the approach depending on the person and his response.

To deal with a matter well, a pastor must listen.  He must hear a matter before he answers it (Proverbs 18:13).  And even then, he wants to edify, correct, strengthen, and restore.  Jesus said, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth,” praying to God the Father.  The goal is to rely on God’s Word.

Forum for Challenge

Proving Everything

Depending on the Word of God does not mean depending on an opinion about the Word of God.  “A pastor thinks this, so it is true.”  It might be.  I hope it is.  However, scripture also says (1 Thess 5:21-22):

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.  22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Paul also wrote in 1 Corinthians 14:31-32:

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.  32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

The spirits of the prophets were subject to the prophets.  A forum for challenge exists in a church.  The Bible is the final authority.

Helping People Change

Room to Grow

Certain times I led toward a change of position in our church.  Just because I took a new position, I knew that didn’t mean that everyone would believe it.  It might take time for everyone to come along.  Unity also matters in those occasions.  Our church had taken a different position for awhile.  I wanted everyone to change, but I didn’t require everyone to change.  The bottom line during those times was not causing “divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine” (Romans 16:17).

Opinions and what Paul calls doubtful disputations (Rom 14:1) necessitate sorting.  Not everyone applies scripture exactly the same.  Sanctification occurs and tweaks viewpoints.  Every disagreement is not a threat to or defiance of authority.  It’s not rebellion.  When it takes even pastors years to change on something, they can’t turn around and expect someone else to change in days or hours.

Harmful Approaches

Through many years, I have listened to numbers of various positions of pastors.  We almost never agree on everything.  Nevertheless, pastors will talk with great confidence and authority when they state their positions. Pastors might treat an issue like they’re Teddy Roosevelt after just climbing San Juan Hill.  They’re raising the flag at the top of Mount Suribachi at Iwo Jima.  Bluster and bravado or a stern countenance don’t equate with authority.

I may hear a man mock my position in his preaching, sometimes setting up straw man arguments.  I might smile at the audaciousness of it, but mockery is not especially convincing.  Calling people a liar definitely doesn’t persuade.  Neither does characterizing the difference in an extreme or insulting manner.

Sometimes someone says God gave him peace.  He may add, “I prayed about it.”  Or, “I fasted over it.”  If you disagree, somehow you oppose answers to prayer and the practice of fasting.  A man expresses a feeling of peace.  Scripture nowhere uses a feeling as a harbinger of truth.

Pastors can find many various means to provoke change.  Someone might notice a modulation in the tone of voice.  Cheeriness is missing.  It isn’t friendly now.  The eyelids are half mast.  A pastor can send a message in the spirit of mean girl syndrome.  Someone in is now out.  If a person was a fish, he can’t swim in the small pond anymore.  He’s relegated to the smaller adjacent puddle until he apprehends the message sent.

Longsuffering and Patience

“God is longsuffering toward usward” (2 Peter 3:9).  “Charity suffereth long” (1 Corinthians 13:4).  I think of the fellowservant in Jesus’ story in Matthew 18:29, who cried, “Have patience with me!”  I don’t see a biblical pattern of cutting off people with a different position, cancelling them with little to no due process.

A kind of political cancellation and making phone calls, applying social and economic pressure, is not the method of pastoral authority.  People will have difficulty seeing Jesus in an environment of possible expectation of punishment.  Scriptural conviction can motivate loving service that will please the Lord.

God gives and uses authority.  Romans 13:1 says, “For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.”  At the same time, “My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation” (James 3:1).  Especially church leaders should know that the final judgment of Jesus Christ, that’s what matters. “Ye masters,” forbear “threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven” (Eph 6:9).

Everyone of us will give an account to God (Romans 14:10).  And God says, “destroy not him for whom Christ died” (Romans 14:15).  Christ didn’t give authority to take His place as Lord or destroy the people He died for.

More to Come

Greece, Biblical Christian Tour (Tutku Tours) Can You Come?

Lord willing, from March 15, 2024 to March 23, 2024 we will be on a Christian history tour of Greece with Dr. Mark Wilson and Tutku Educational Tours, visiting the ancient sites associated with the Apostle Paul’s journeys in Greece, as recorded in Scripture, as well as other sites of historical importance, such as the oracle at Delphi.

Christian tour Greece Apostle Paul pastors professors

As the trip brochure indicates, we are scheduled to see places including:

Neapolis, Philippi, Amphipolis, Thessaloniki, Berea, Kalambaka (Meteora), Delphi, Athens, Corinth, and Cenchrea

Part of what is scheduled to take place is as follows:

[We will visit] the port city of Philippi … Paul landed by boat and first brought the gospel to Europe. … We follow the Via Egnatia which the apostle took into the city. Here at Philippi Paul preached his first sermon in Europe (Acts 16:13-15) and baptized the first Christian convert in the continent, a “certain woman named Lydia.” … Extensive Roman and Byzantine ruins have been uncovered and there is a crypt where it is believed Paul and Silas were imprisoned. We leave Philippi and continue to follow the Via Egnatia to Amphipolis (Acts 17:1) to view the Lion Monument that Paul would have seen as he traveled by this city. We pass by Apollonia (Acts 17:1) and return to our hotel in Thessaloniki … Paul spent a number of weeks in Thessalonica during his 2nd Missionary Journey establishing a church (Acts 17:1-9) to whom he would a short time later write two letters (1 & 2 Thessalonians). Visit the Roman Agora (marketplace), where a mob was formed against Paul and an ensuing riot started in the city (Acts 17:5) as well as the Archaeological Museum. … We leave Thessaloniki for a brief visit to Berea (modern Veria), the place whose Jewish citizens “received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true” (Acts 17:11). After viewing the Bema— the spot where tradition has Paul teaching the Bereans—and the beautiful monument dedicated to the apostle[.] … [We visit the] Delphi Museum, whose impressive collection includes an inscription concerning the governor Gallio (Acts 18:12), which plays a crucial role in establishing the chronology of Paul’s life and ministry. … Paul visited Athens during his 2nd Missionary Journey (Acts 17:15- 34). We’ll see the Agora (“Marketplace”) of ancient Athens where the apostle dialogued with the Athenian citizens and philosophers (Acts 17:17) and also at the Areopagus (“Mars Hill”) where Paul addressed the city leaders (Acts 17:19-33). … [We] proceed to nearby Cenchrea, one of the two harbors of ancient Corinth from where Paul sailed on more than one occasion (Acts 18:18) and which was also the home of another early church and an influential Christian woman, Phoebe (Rom. 16:1). We then visit Corinth, the place where Paul ministered for 11⁄2 years (Acts 18:1-18) and [to whom he wrote] 1 & 2 Corinthians). … Extensive ruins of Corinth are visible today, including temples, water fountains, shops, various public buildings, the largest Agora (“Marketplace”) in the ancient world and the Bema, where Paul likely met before the governor Gallio (Acts 18:12-17). The Corinthian Museum contains many significant artifacts, several of which have a direct link to events, items and people mentioned in the New Testament.

We have travelled with Tutku before to Egypt and to Turkey, and they have done a very good job.  The scholars that they have guiding their tours are excellent.  For example, Dr. James Hoffmeier, with whom we visited Egypt, is a leading evangelical Egyptologist.  We recorded numbers of videos with him of things that related to the historicity of Scripture, some of which we have posted online (and others which still need to get live).  I would definitely recommend Tutku for those who wish to visit Israel or other countries with significant sites for Biblical history.

The tour is at a discounted rate and is designed for pastors, professors, and others who might at some point lead a tour or point others to a tour.  So you are also likely to meet interesting and knowledgeable people on these tours.  If you are actively involved in Christian ministry (even if you are not an ordained pastor), it is quite possible that they would let you come.  The price is quite reasonable, and if you can take care of your own airfare with credit card points or miles it becomes even more reasonable.

Would you like to join us?

TDR

Revivalism or Fake Revival, Jesus Revolution, and Asbury

Other Work By Me On This Topic (Here1, Here2, Here3, Here4, Here5, Here6, Here7, Here8, Here9, Here10, and Here11)

What do you think is worse?  Fake Revival or No Revival?  I would say, fake is worse.  I’ve got, I think, good reasons for fake being worse than no revival.  Fake revival does far more damage than nothing happening.  True revivals through history occurred.  Probably more fake ones though.

Jesus Revolution and Asbury University

In recent days, attention focuses in the United States among religious folk especially about an apparent revival in the 1960s, called the Jesus Revolution in Time Magazine.  Descendants of Calvary Chapel made a movie, which is in mainstream, secular theaters.  Another apparent revival presented itself in Asbury, Kentucky, at Asbury University, a historic Wesleyan/Holiness institution.  I see it as a great interest that these two so-called revivals dovetailed like they did.

Revival moved up as a conversation topic.  Conservative podcasts even among non-believers discuss the two, Jesus Revolution and Asbury.  I think Fox News mentioned the two in various instances.  Because Emmy award winner, Kelsey Grammer, starred as Chuck Smith in the Jesus Revolution movie, that brought greater coverage and consciousness.

Asbury reads as Woke or somewhat woke, which modified its revival in the traditional sense.  In the history of the United States, historians point to two revivals they call “the First Great Awakening” and “the Second Great Awakening.”  Before the second, the first was just the Great Awakening, like the first was just the Great War until a second World War occurred.

The two, the first and second Great Awakenings, were much different in nature and in effect.  A big chunk of professing Christendom rejects the second Great Awakening and says only the Great Awakening in colonial America actually happened.  I would be one of those.  I agree the Great Awakening was a revival.  The second was a fake one.

Controversy of Calling Something “Not a Revival”

Calling a professed revival, not a revival, is as controversial as denying the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election.  People who accept the revival, like those who say the Covid vaccinations were wonderful, want to hear only positive affirmation of their revival.

Questioning a revival is very close to questioning salvation, which is taught in scripture.  If you read either 1 John or James, those two epistles among other places in the Bible, you see challenging or questioning a salvation profession.  John does it.  James does it.  Paul does it.  And Jesus does it.  Some will stand at the very Great White Throne before Jesus, professing salvation, and He will say, “Depart from me, I never knew you.”

Revival, as I see it in scripture, is a larger than normal flurry of true conversions.  The idea of revival indicates something dead becoming alive, which speaks of regeneration.  People are getting really saved in large numbers and based upon true gospel preaching.

The Asbury leaders say that God brought a revival there starting on February 8.  They also say they can’t stop it, since God brought it, even though they did stop the regular meetings there just this last week in part because of a case of measles.  As you might comprehend already, I don’t think the Asbury “Outpouring” or the Jesus Revolution were revival.  I don’t need to wait to see on those two.  I’m saying right now.  They’re not.

My Experience

School Camp

As a senior in high school, I experienced my only gully-washer so-called revival experience.  My academy had school camp, which it also called “spiritual emphasis week.”  We got revivalistic style preaching morning and night.  In long and emotional invitations, weeping students knelt at the front.  Thirteen made professions.

The week ended with a session of emotional testimonies.  Then we headed home.  It did not translate into anything lasting.  Not long after, it was the same-old, same-old with rebellion, apathy, and lack of biblical interest.  The effects of school camp and spiritual emphasis week, despite the “revival,” didn’t continue.

Jack Hyles

When Jack Hyles was alive and in his heyday, in many instances I was in meetings where almost everyone in massive auditoriums came forward at his invitation.  They streamed forward with only a few people left in their seats.  I would think that Hyles could easily vie with any revivalist in his production of effect.  If immediate outward manifestations measured revival, Hyles did better than anyone I’ve ever seen and on a more consistent basis.

At one point, independent Baptist, revivalist churches in the Hyles movement were the largest churches in the world.  Huge crowds gathered to hear a line-up of revivalist preachers.  They were pragmatic and doctrinally errant, but people felt intense closeness to God. I’m telling you that I’ve seen it.

Jack Hyles compared his gatherings to the Day of Pentecost and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.  This recent “revival” at Asbury University its advocates also call an “outpouring.”  This reflects a particular viewpoint about the Holy Spirit, that since the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, more outpourings of Him might occur.

Mexico

I took a trip to Mexico after my Freshman year in high school, and we drove into remote mountain villages around Monterrey to hold revival meetings.  I didn’t know Spanish except for six or so verses I could quote then.  Dozens and dozens made professions of faith with the pragmatic, emotional manipulation that occurred by my group.  I would contend that much greater fake revival occurred in the 60s and 70s through revivalists than the Asbury one.  These revivals did not get popular media attention of Asbury or the Jesus Revolution, but they resulted in explosive numerical growth as significant as the Jesus Revolution and much greater than Asbury.

Revival?

In listening to a few evaluations of the Jesus Revolution, a significant effect of this revival, mentioned by supporters, was the rise and popularity of Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) and informal or casual dress in church attenders.  I could add others from reading and observation. I’ve read Calvary Chapel Distinctives and the Philosophy of Calvary Chapel.  I got especially interested, because of one of the largest evangelical churches in the state of Oregon is in Applegate, very close to where we started our church in Jackson County there.  Many people involved with the movement, it’s obvious have no true conversion and don’t even understand the gospel.

I listened to at least one of the revivalists running the Asbury revival in one of its earlier video recorded services.  I would not characterize what I saw as revival.  I wouldn’t call it gospel preaching.  It was so shallow, superficial, sentimental, worldly, woke, and Charismatic that I would have nothing to do with it.  I hope someone gets saved through it, like Paul hoped in Philippians 1 with men who opposed him.  Of course, I would want the salvation of people in Kentucky in the Asbury vein and through the Jesus Movement out of California.  I believe both hurt the overall cause of Christ like any fake revival would.

Many years ago, Ian Murray wrote the classic Revival and Revivalism, distinguishing between true revival and only revivalism.  Almost everything today is revivalism, which is fake revival.  People want God to do something.  God is doing something.  Instead of being so overtly concerned that He does something, they should surrender to what He has done, is doing, and will do in the future.

More to Come

Men Seek Signs and Wisdom, But God Saves by the Foolishness of Preaching the Gospel

1 Corinthians 1:18-32:  The Foolishness of Preaching

In 1 Corinthians 1, Paul said God uses the foolishness of preaching to save.  God saves people through the foolishness of preaching.  Paul started out this section in verse 18 by saying that “the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness.”

It’s not that the cross is foolishness or that preaching is foolishness.  People think it is foolishness and Paul is saying, “That thing they think is foolishness; that’s what God uses to save.”  God uses a means that does not make sense.  Because people think the gospel is foolishness, they become offended from it.

Of all the offenses of the gospel, Paul gives at least two.  (1)  The Cross, and (2)  Preaching.  The cross is offensive.  It is this way also in at least two ways.  (1)  Someone on a cross needs saving.  Saving comes by a powerful means.  (2)  The cross would be to say that Jesus is the Savior or the Messiah.  I’m not going to write about that in this post.  Instead, preaching.

Rather Signs or Wisdom

Paul in essence asks, “Why use preaching when Jews seek after signs and Greeks after wisdom?” (1 Cor 1:22)  He divides all men into these two different methodological categories.  Jews and Greeks need signs and wisdom, not preaching.  In my thirty-five plus years of ministry, I agree that every audience of ministry breaks down into those two general categories.

When you think of signs and wisdom, that might seem like two items people should like and want.  They are two biblical words.  In a very technical sense, a sign is a miracle.  Almost exclusively, I think someone should view a miracle as a sign gift.  I will get back to that.

Wisdom.  Isn’t Proverbs about wisdom?  We pray for wisdom.  How could wisdom be bad?  Proverbs 4:7 says, “Wisdom is the principle thing.”

Signs and Wisdom

Signs

Signs are something evident in a way of supernatural intervention.  If there is a God, won’t He do obvious supernatural things?  “If He doesn’t do those, why should I believe in Him?  I want to see some signs.  Wouldn’t He give me those if He really wanted me to believe in Him?  That would be easy for Him, if He really did exist.  If God did give me signs, I would believe.  Since He doesn’t, then I won’t believe or I don’t need to believe.”

The absence of signs is not that God is not working.  He works in thousands of different ways in every moment.  They are all supernatural.  We even can see how God is working in numbers of ways.

People would say they want more than God’s providential working.  That isn’t enough.  They want God to make it easy for them to believe by doing something amazing and astounding like what they read that Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Jesus, and the Apostles did.  People desire direct supernatural divine intervention.

Churches feel the pressure to fake signs, because people want them.  They aren’t signs, because they’re faking them, which redefines even what a sign is.  Churches also conjure up experiences that give an impression that something supernatural is occurring.  People can claim a sign from a lowered expectation of what a sign is.  Even if it isn’t something supernatural, people want to feel something at church that might have them think the Holy Spirit is there.  This is their evidence for God.

Wisdom

Wisdom in 1 Corinthians 1 isn’t God’s wisdom, but human or man’s wisdom.  This could be what people call “science” today.  It is scientific proof or evidence.  They need data or empirical evidence.  This is very brainy arguments.

God is working in the world.  It is good to talk about that.  This is known as the providence of God.  He upholds this world and all that is in it in many various ways.  I love that.

A lot of evidence exists out there for everything that is in the Bible:  archaeological, scientific, psychological, logical, and historical.  People will say that’s what they need and that’s what makes sense to them.  Even if they’re not saying that, it makes sense to believers that they need intellectual arguments.

Jews and Greeks in 1 Corinthians 1 represent all apparent seekers in God.  If churches and their leaders are seeker sensitive, they would provide signs and wisdom.  In a categorical way, that’s what they do.  They use the preferred ways of their audience, rather than what God says to do.  Apparent seekers are not the source for a method of salvation.  God is.

You could give analysis as to the place of signs and wisdom as categorical approaches for ministry philosophy.  Churches are rampant with both.  Paul is saying, eliminate those as methods.  Use the God-ordained method only.

God wants preaching as the method of accomplishing salvation.  People are not saved any other way than preaching.  Many reasons exist for this, some given in 1 Corinthians 1 and others in other biblical texts.

The Requirement of Censorship with the Separation of Church and State: The Truth of the Bible Requires Institutional Adherence

Recent Twitter Files reveal widespread and coordinated censorship there.  Where vile language acceptable, those speaking truth have lost their jobs.  Long before, state institutions censored the most important truths in human history without recrimination.

Before you continue, I offer you a guide.  This post will move outside of most people’s box.  I ask you not to delve into the establishment clause of the first amendment of the United States Constitution.  Before you jump to practical ramifications, consider the truth of the post.

The Truth, the Logos

When you read Genesis 1 in the Bible, you are reading the account of the beginning of all time, space, and matter.  Everything originates with God out of nothing.  That is the explanation for everything.  It does not even exist without Him, but He also sustains it.

The Bible record is truth as well as is the truth.  Scripture presents itself as the truth.  Jesus, God the Son, said to His Father God in John 17:17, “Thy Word is truth.”  It might make you feel good and help your life, but that is just a byproduct of its truth.  It works because it is the truth.  The truth is one, because God is one.  Nothing in this record contradicts any other part.  God does not deny Himself.

God created man in His image and with His likeness.  He intended man to reflect Him in his nature.  Men should treat and look at the world in every aspect like God would.  They should follow what God says, the truth, for and about everything.  God expects men to view the world, see it, like He does.

Modernists speculate a fully naturalistic origination and continuation of all things.  They opine this as progress from the superstition of ignorance.  In fact, the premoderns had it right.  It never was a natural world.  The Greeks were right in their concept of cosmos, which they called logos, an intelligence that permeated all space and matter and in contrast to random and chaotic naturalism.

People in John’s day understood his Logos in John 1:1, who He said was Jesus Christ, was the source for this cohesion, intelligence, and order.  Paul wrote that in Christ were hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge (Colossians 2:3) and that by all things consisted (1:17).  That was the Logos.

No Bifurcation of Truth

Paul was also emphatic in the truth of Christ’s bodily resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:3-4).  Jesus showed Thomas the wounds in His hands.  He was one, whole Person.  A physical body was the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19-20).  Both body and spirit glorified God.  This contradicted a pagan dualism, that separated truth into separate spheres of the spiritual and physical.

This New Testament presentation matches the Old Testament concept of truth, “the fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge” (Proverbs 1:7).  Every aspect of knowledge falls under the purveyance of God’s truth.  Even though someone may divide the truth into various fields such as government, economics, math, and biology, it still is one cohesive, orderly truth proceeding from the one mind of one God.

Whatever field or region under the sovereignty of one truth splinters from the one, or whenever it does, it becomes distorted, superficial, meaningless, and subjective.  The greatest advancements today in philosophy and science come in what Stephen Meyer calls “the return to the God hypothesis.”  The universe is fine tuned.  A cell is irreducibly complex.  In philosophy, only God explains the existence of everything that exists.  It’s impossible for something that exists not to have a reason for its existence.

Separating the truth from government, art, music, and economics, leaves any one in chaos and moral relativism.  The gospel does not stand apart from all the truth of the Bible.  And the gospel itself cannot and should not be divided into separate components of different degrees of subjective value.  For instance, it is good for social reasons and perhaps psychological ones but not to reconcile to God and appease His holy wrath.

Religion the Truth, Equal with Facts

The state is good with religion as long it isn’t the truth.  If it becomes the truth, it is equal with facts, science, math, and engineering.  True religion cannot just stop with the true definitions of a man and of a woman.  Next it says you go to Hell if you reject Jesus Christ.  Even worse it limits your marijuana use.

Much of the philosophical conversation today revolves around what I here write.  One faction, even considered conservative now, bemoans the loss of Western Civilization and its advantages.  It is the water in which we swim, even if no longer Judeo-Christian ethics.

Classically liberal intellectuals warn readers and listeners.  They won’t like the disappearance of Christianity, hearkening Nietzche’s prophecy about the death of God in the 19th century.  However, if you remove the resurrection, ascension, and second coming of Christ, the consummation of all things in the future literal, physical reign of Jesus Christ, you eradicate all of Christianity.  It is a whole that cannot be separated into disjunctive parts.

Total Truth

For a long time Christians self-censored by backing away from total truth (the title of Nancy Pearcey’s book).  They stopped bringing the truth to all the subjects and every institution, all ordained by God.  The dismissal of one is the dismissal of all.

A moral statement is either true or false.  True moral statements come from the Word of God.  If Jesus did not rise from the dead, nothing else the Bible says is true.  Paul says this in 1 Corinthians 15.  You cannot chop the Bible up like that.  The moral values become meaningless without the truth of the history and the scientific declarations.

The table of nations in Genesis 10 is the truth.  The prophecies of Daniel 11 are the truth.  What scripture says all over about men and women is the truth.  These are not subjective and relativistic.  They are objective.  They are true.  All these writings should be taught everywhere as truth, not in religion class as an alternative along side the lies of other religions.

The separation of church and state, which is not in the United States Constitution, necessitates censorship.  Anything church related is only church related and stays in the church.  Only state stuff belongs in the state, which as many of you know, includes everything in the world, including biblical issues like marriage and parenting practices.  Then the state labels all of theirs science and facts and outside of the state, unless cooperating with the state, subjective, private, and even conspiracy.  If it is truth, it is your truth, subjective truth, which is fine as long as you keep it outside of institutions.

Take Moses into the Supreme Court Building

For awhile the state has been fine with a sculpture of Moses with the two tablets on the Supreme Court building.  It is a decoration.  It is a ritual.  Maybe it’s even an archetype into which you read whatever you want.  They cannot use it as grounds for decision making, even if its self-evident truths form the basis for logic, argument, and morality.

Perhaps a government and big business or oligarchical complex now joins in widespread censorship.  Let’s just say that complex does censor the citizenry of the United States and other Western countries.  Christians already censored themselves by segregating themselves away from God’s world and keeping the truth away from its institutions, whose very existence arises from that truth.

God requires more than talking about the truth at church.  He requires adherence to the truth in every institution.  This is the teaching of all nations.  True discipleship requires national adherence.  Churches at least should adhere, but their goals are further than that.  They want the knowledge and dominion of His truth everywhere.

Could There Be Practical Reasons Why Some Evangelists See More or Better Results than Others? Pt. 3

Part One     Part Two

Every time I begin to consider the problems in this country and then the world, I go back to the gospel.  Whatever path you ponder, it comes back to necessary conversion.  Someone can make moves that might postpone the inevitable, but the actual solution is the gospel.  Everything else is “peace, peace, when there is no peace.”

Last Monday I wrote two reasons and Wednesday a third on why some evangelists see more or better results than others.  Here’s a fourth.

4.  A Difference in Diligent Work

Scripture emphasizes work in evangelism, diligence, as if it would make a difference in the salvation in men’s souls.  Jesus said in John 9:4:  “I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.”  Even Jesus saw the need for urgency in getting something done sooner than later.  This was an example from which the lyrics to a song come (here verse 2):

Work, for the night is coming:  Work through the sunny noon; Fill brightest hours with labor: Rest comes sure and soon. Give every flying minute Something to keep in store; Work, for the night is coming, When man works no more.

The Apostle Paul also talked about the diligence to his work.  He explains in what I call his “how-to book for the ministry” in 1 Thessalonians 2:9:  “For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.”  You read there, “our labour and travail: for labouring night and day.”  Paul connected this to his success.

Even as I wrote about Paul, I thought about Philip the evangelist, when he evangelized the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8.  This is one of the most well-known, famous evangelism stories in all of scripture.  Here are the last two verses in the chapter:

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Almost anyone else would have gone back to his lazy-boy and had an iced tea.  He put in his 1.5 hours of evangelism for the week, time to head home.  Not Philip.  After the Ethiopian eunuch was saved, a great evangelistic moment in history, Philip “preached in all the cities” from Azotus to Caesarea.

What I’m describing is related at least to love.  The 1.5 hour person is the one who is the legalist.  Don’t get me wrong.  I do think that having a habit, temperance of a fashion, putting it on the schedule, is and can be good.  It’s not enough when it’s love.  It isn’t laboring for the night cometh when no man can work.  It isn’t labor and travail, laboring night and day.  It isn’t preaching in all the cities.  Everyone has other things to do.  I agree things need to be done.

Every little bit helps.  I’m happy when someone at least does evangelize.  I’m writing about how some see more than others and in a legitimate way, true evangelism.  Diligent labor is another difference.

The Coddling of the American Mind, Questioning One’s Salvation, and Showing Grace and Mercy

Three veins of thought I recently read and heard come together into one theme for this post.  Each of them intersected into a common orbit, like three strangers meeting at an English roundabout and deciding to stay.  First I want to credit the three sources.

The first, The Coddling of the American Mind, was mentioned by popular linguist and author, Columbia professor John McWhorter at Substack in a part of his anti-anti-racist series, the article titled, Black Fragility as Black Strength.  He borrowed from the recent conservative book, The Coddling of the American Mind, for the outline of his article.  The title of that Lukianoff and Haidt book also takes from a now classic published in 1987 by University of Chicago professor, Allan Bloom, titled, The Closing of the American Mind.  The coddling of the American mind is a later iteration of closing the American mind, both occurring on university campuses.  Truth approaches a coddled mind and it closes like the Mimosa pudica to escape injury, remaining in error.

Questioning salvation is scriptural.  At least two books of the New Testament, 1 John and James, have this as their subject matter.  Parts of several other New Testament books speak to the unconverted in a mixed multitude, including Hebrews.  Jesus Himself addresses this crowd.  Paul writes in 2 Corinthians 13:5, “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves.”

With an attitude of great surprise, Tim McKnight on his post, “Social Media: 7 Tips for Christians,” started with these two sentences:

Last night I experienced a first on social media. A person claiming to follow Jesus Christ questioned my salvation.

McKnight, a person claiming to follow Jesus Christ, questioned someone questioning his salvation.  The Apostle Paul said, question people’s salvation, Jesus questioned people’s salvation, and every true evangelist will question someone’s salvation.  It shouldn’t have been a first on social media, but this was considered an offense.

The above offense of questioning salvation then also dovetails with number three, a sermon I was listening to on Christian radio in our area, where the speaker was emphasizing “showing grace and mercy” to others.  As I listened to his defining the practice, I tried to connect the practice to scripture.  I understood from what he said that “showing grace and mercy” was a kind of toleration of unacceptable behavior, putting up with how others behave without saying anything.  That might have become the standard understanding of the concept of showing grace and mercy.

Let me put this together.  Coddled minds, who don’t want their salvation questioned, need us to show them grace and mercy by leaving them alone.  The Apostle Paul didn’t coddle the Corinthians when he called on them to question their own salvation.  Would he have done better to coddle them and would this have been to show them grace and mercy?

Often the Apostle Paul starts his three pastoral epistles with these almost identical statements:

Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

Not outdone by Paul, the Apostle John began 2 John with the following in verse 3:

Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

He proceeded to question the salvation of many people in verses 9-10:

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:  For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

He also encourages you to question the salvation of others.  Someone could be coddled all the way to eternal damnation, thinking they’re saved, when they’re not.
I’m very much for showing grace and mercy, but I also want to get a handle on what that means.  Everyone needs mercy.  We don’t condemn people when they sin or if they offend us personally.  We show them grace by helping them stop sinning, not by ignoring their sin.  There is a gracious way to help people.  What Paul writes toward the end of 1 Thessalonians is good instruction (5:14):

Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

Some need comfort, some support, but others warning.  Everyone needs patience.  How long is patient?  It isn’t interminable or else you’d never warn the unruly.
Paul told Titus that grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lust (Titus 2:12).  Showing grace means teaching others to deny ungodliness and worldly lust or to do just what Paul did in Ephesians 5:11 when he wrote:  “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”  Is that showing grace?  Not to a coddled mind.
We’re in a difficult situation today where people need the most questioning in history and with their coddled minds, they can endure none of that.  Questioning is occurring, but it’s mainly about questioning.  They will not show you grace if you do not show them grace, all depending on the meaning of grace.
I recognize that I’m probably preaching to the choir with this post.  Everyone else, show me some grace, okay?

The Elimination of Practices and Activities Deemed Dispensable By the Truth About Real Gain

You can do certain things.  They’re permissible, sure.  They’re not wrong per se.  Paul argue that’s not how we should choose to do things.   We might like them.  They might be fun.

Paul could have made money off of his preaching.  According to him in 1 Corinthians 9, he even deserved it.  Those who preach of the gospel, he said, should live of the gospel.  However, he willingly gave up that support for the sake of the gospel.  As an evangelist or missionary, taking monetary support for preaching the gospel could diminish the effects of his preaching.

The money Paul could have made was a type of gain.  It’s still a well-known type of gain.  Gain is an economics term, like “capital gains.”  Adam Smith in his classic, Wealth of Nations, begins chapter ten by saying:

The five following are the principal circumstances which, so far as I have been able to observe, make up for a small pecuniary gain in some employments, and counterbalance a great one in others.

Then he names those five principles circumstances and elaborates on them.  You see his use of the word “gain.”  He uses it 17 times in that chapter.  In the next paragraph, he writes:

Honour makes a great part of the reward of all honourable professions. In point of pecuniary gain, all things considered, they are generally under-recompensed, as I shall endeavour to show by and by. Disgrace has the contrary effect. The trade of a butcher is a brutal and an odious business; but it is in most places more profitable than the greater part of common trades. The most detestable of all employments, that of public executioner, is, in proportion to the quantity of work done, better paid than any common trade whatever.

He says that honor is the reward of certain honorouble professions, rather than “pecuniary gain.”  “Pecuniary” is “related to or consisting of money.”  He implies there are other types of gain, like honor.  Honor is a kind of gain, not pecuniary, but one to be chosen over money apparently.  The profession brings honor, if it doesn’t bring money.

The Apostle Paul refers to gain again and again in scripture, and this is seen in 1 Corinthians 9 in a section that most label as a section on Christian liberty.  I respect that idea that 1 Corinthians 6-10 is about Christian liberty.  I don’t mind it, but it is worth looking at it from the perspective of the definition of real gain.

God created man for a relationship with Him.  The Lord Jesus said in Matthew 16:26,

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

There’s that word “gain.”  The implication here is that someone profits nothing, even if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul.  Luke 9:25 says,

For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

In the King James Version, Paul uses the word “gain” five times.  He writes first in 1 Corinthians 9:19,

For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

Instead of taking pecuniary gain, Paul wanted heavenly gain.  He gave up the former for the latter.  Pecuniary gain was dispensable.  His own soul and the souls of the lost were not dispensable.  He dispensed of one to gain the other.  He goes on to use the word “gain.”  Verse 22 is the last use:

To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Then Paul uses the example of athletes or competitors who discipline themselves for a prize.  They dispense of personal comforts to win something temporal.  They are an example.  Paul says, decide and live and choose based upon real gain.  Dispense of false gain.  It isn’t gain.
When Paul gives his testimony, he credits this thought in his own salvation.  Philippians 3:7 reads,

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

Paul’s own salvation meant accessing real gain.  What was once gain to him, to be saved, he must count as loss.  Later in his ministry, for others to be saved, what was considered gain by many, he must count as loss.
1 Corinthians 6-10 is less about liberty, more about eliminating practices and activities that are dispensable.  They are not gain.  Paul could say that “to die is gain” (Philippians 1:21).  Real gain is what makes life worth living and death, not just tolerable, but favorable.
In 1 Corinthians 9 besides “gain,” Paul uses the words “reward” (vv. 17-18), “without charge” (v. 18), and “prize” (v. 24).  Everyone is working or living for something.  Where is the gain, the reward, and the prize?
At the end of Paul’s epistle (1 Corinthians 16:22), he writes:

If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Anathema Maranatha means “cursed at His coming.”
Do we love the Lord Jesus Christ?  That is, are we truly saved?  If we do, we can and we will eliminate dispensable practices and activities.  They are permissible, but they miss the purpose of God, why we’re here on earth as people and especially as believers.

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