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Baptist History and the Points of Calvinism

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Baptists, Calvinistic or Arminian?

In the last post of this series, I wrote that John T. Christian said in his book on The History of Baptists, that Baptists were more Calvinistic than Arminian.  When I wrote that or referenced him, I wasn’t saying that Baptists are Calvinists.  At least since the advent of Calvinism, they are more Calvinistic, mainly referring to eternal security.  Eternal security very often and for some is shorthand for Calvinistic, setting someone apart from Arminianism.

Even with a Calvinistic resurgence in the Southern Baptists, only 30% are Calvinist.  They aren’t the majority.  I know some look at the English and American Baptist Confessions to get or have the opinion that Baptists were mainly Calvinists for the last four hundred years.  You would be wrong again.

Particular and General Baptists

Particular Baptists, the Calvinist wing of Baptists in England especially in the 17th and 18th centuries, wrote the London Baptist Confession.  At the time of their writing of that confession, they represented slightly more of the Baptist churches in England than the General Baptists, the non-Calvinist wing.  That Confession did not speak for all Baptists in England.  John T. Christian writes about this:

This body (of General Baptists) constituted by far the larger portion of the Baptists of that country, and their history runs on in an uninterrupted stream from generation to generation.

The first Baptists in England were not Calvinists.  The Calvinists came later as a separation from the Anglican church in 1633.  Calvinism was an unnatural growth for Baptist churches.  Calvinist Baptists came first from a break with the Church of England, not an adaptation on Baptist churches.  They broke with the Anglicans over such doctrine or practices like infant sprinkling.

Apparently because of the doctrinal problems among the General Baptists, once the Particular Baptists came to England, the latter outgrew the former for a short period.  By 1660, Particular Baptist churches outnumbered General Baptist ones, 130 to 110.   Anglican England, however, persecuted both Baptist factions until the Glorious Revolution of William and Mary and the Toleration Act of 1688.

Calvinism and Arminianism Both Clash with Historical Baptist Belief

Calvinism does not characterize Baptists.  Eric Hankins explains this well in his journal article, Beyond Calvinism and Arminianism Toward A Baptist Soteriology:

Baptists believe in the clarity and simplicity of the Bible. We search in vain for decrees, a Covenant of Works, the distinction between a “general call” and an “effectual call,” hidden wills, and prevenient grace. We react with consternation to the ideas that God regenerates before He converts, that He hates sinners, that reprobation without respect to a response of faith brings Him the greatest glory, or that the truly converted can lose their salvation. Baptists have felt free to agree with certain emphases within Calvinism and Arminianism, while rejecting those that offend our commitments to the possibility of salvation for all and to the eternal security of that salvation based exclusively on faith in the covenant promises of God.

The free offer of an eternal, life-changing covenant with the Father through the Son by the Spirit to all sinners by the free exercise of personal faith alone has been the simple, non-speculative but inviolable core of Baptist soteriological belief and practice. Baptist soteriology (specifically including the doctrines of the sovereign, elective purposes of God, the sinfulness of all humans, the substitutionary atonement of Christ, salvation by grace alone through faith alone, and the security of the believer) is not in jeopardy and does not need to be reinforced by Calvinism or Arminianism. It can be successfully taught, maintained, and defended without resorting to either system.

Calvinism, Arminianism, and Infant Sprinkling

Hankins continues:

It has been typical of Baptists to believe that anyone who reaches the point of moral responsibility has the capacity to respond to the gospel. While all persons are radically sinful and totally unable to save themselves, their ability to “choose otherwise” defines human existence, including the ability to respond to the gospel in faith or reject it in rebellion.

God initiates the process; He imbues it with His Spirit’s enabling. When people respond in faith, God acts according to His promises to seal that relationship for eternity, welding the will of the believer to His own, setting the believer free by His sovereign embrace. Our assurance of salvation comes not from a “sense” that we are elect or from our persistence in holy living. Assurance comes from the simple, surrendered faith that God keeps every one of His promises in Christ Jesus.

Baptist Insistence on Believer’s Baptism

Baptists’ historical insistence on believer’s baptism is a solid indicator of our soteriological instinct. Historically, neither Calvinism nor Arminianism had a correct word for infant baptism because both were burdened with the justification for total depravity, original sin, and individual election. For many Arminians (like those in the Wesleyan tradition), infant baptism functions with reference to original sin and prevenient grace and plays a role in the faith that God “foresees.” For many Calvinists, infant baptism has become an extremely odd vehicle by which they deal with the fate of infants, an issue that is illustrative of the fundamental inadequacy of the system.

If Calvinism is true, then its own logic demands that at least some infants who die before reaching the point of moral responsibility spend eternity in hell. By and large, Calvinists do not want to say this and will go to great lengths to avoid doing so.  Covenant Theology and infant baptism have been the preferred method for assuring (at least Christian) parents that they can believe in original guilt and total depravity and still know that their children who die in infancy will be with them in heaven. While Baptist Calvinists and Arminians do not allow for infant baptism, the fact that their systems allow for and even advocate it is telling.

Baptist Rejection of Covenant Theology

Prevenient grace and Covenant Theology have never played a role in Baptist theology. This frees us to deal biblically with the issue of infant baptism: it is simply a popular vestige of Roman Catholic sacramentalism that the Magisterial Reformers did not have either the courage or theological acuity to address. Privileging election necessarily diminishes the significance of the individual response of faith for salvation, thus creating room for infant baptism and its theological justification. But with faith as the proper center of Baptist soteriology, infant baptism has never made any sense. Our distinctive understanding of the ordinance of baptism celebrates the centrality of the individual’s actual response of faith to the free offer of the gospel.

Hankins gets at the crux of the doctrinal conflict between true Baptist doctrine, actual New Testament doctrine and practice, and the innovation of Calvinism and Arminianism.  The doctrinal and practical deviation from scripture of Calvinists and Arminians both clash with the doctrinal and practical sensibility of Baptists.  They are a diversion off the true line or trajectory of Baptist churches from their beginning, almost a mutation.

Baptists Not Protestant

Sadly, many professing Baptists embrace Protestantism as their history through Roman Catholicism.  This is a new historical revisionism that arose in the late 19th century.  Here is what C. H. Spurgeon wrote in the Sword and the Trowel concerning the History of English Baptists in a review of J. M. Cramp’s History:

The history of English Baptists is full of interest. From the first they were peculiarly offensive to “the powers that be.” Henry the Eighth – who did so much for the Anglican Establishmentarians that he ought to be regarded by them as a pet saint, even as he was befooled and belarded by the intriguing Cranmer – when he assumed the headship of the Anglican church which never acknowledged Christ to be its only Head, proclaimed against two kinds of heretics, viz., those who disputed about baptism and the Lord’s Supper; and such as were re-baptised. These Anabaptists were commanded to withdraw from the country at once. Cranmer ordered some to be burnt, and burnt they were.

1357 Date for English Baptists

Mr. Kenworthy, the present pastor of the Baptist church at Hill Cliffe, in Cheshire, has stated that if the traditions of the place are to be trusted, the church is five hundred years old. “A tombstone has been lately dug up in the burial ground belonging to that church, bearing date 1357. The origin of the church is assigned to the year 1523.

It is evident that there were Baptist communities in this country in the reign of Edward VI, since Ridley, who was martyred in the following reign, had the following among his “Articles of Visitation:” “Whether any of the Anabaptists’ sect or other, use notoriously any unlawful or private conventicles, wherein they do use doctrines or administration of sacraments, separating themselves from the rest of the parish?” A fearful crime which many Anglicans of the present day would be as ready to punish were it not that other notions of religious liberty exist and powerfully influence public opinion.

We can trace the same spirit, though in embryo perhaps, in the ritualistic prints of the present age, and indeed in the two delightfully amiable Evangelical newspapers whose unbounded hatred of all outside the pale of their theology and clique is as relentless and unscrupulous as the bitterest feelings of Papal days. All history teaches that state-churchism means persecution, in one form or another, according to the sentiments of the age; and the only cure for the evil is to put all religions on an equality.

True History of Baptists Not Protestant

Spurgeon did not believe the Protestant view of English separatism.  He with his mammoth library and well-read wrote the following:

We believe that the Baptists are the original Christians. We did not commence our existence at the reformation, we were reformers before Luther and Calvin were born; we never came from the Church of Rome, for we were never in it, but we have an unbroken line up to the apostles themselves. We have always existed from the days of Christ, and our principles, sometimes veiled and forgotten, like a river which may travel under ground for a little season, have always had honest and holy adherents.

Persecuted alike by Romanists and Protestants of almost every sect, yet there has never existed a Government holding Baptist principles which persecuted others; nor, I believe, any body of Baptists ever held it to be right to put the consciences of others under the control of man. We have ever been ready to suffer, as our martyrologies will prove, but we are not ready to accept any help from the State, to prostitute the purity of the Bride of Christ to any alliance with Government, and we will never make the Church, although the Queen, the despot over the consciences of men.

Spurgeon made statements like this many times in sermons through the years, not from the seat of his trousers, but from what he read of prime sources and other history.  He also talked among many English men for years as to the truth of Baptists.

God Does NOT Love Everyone? An Error of Hyper-Calvinism, part 3 of 3

Is it true that God does NOT love everyone? Hyper-Calvinism says “yes,” but Scripture says “no!” In part 1 and part 2 of this series, I summarized the first portions of my study God Does Not Love Everyone: A Hyper-Calvinist Error.  This final part will summarize the final portion of God Does Not Love Everyone: A Hyper-Calvinist Error, to which readers are encouraged to refer for more information.

Hyper-Calvinism Employs Exegetical and Logical Fallacies

When Arguing God Does Not Love the Non-Elect:

Texts on God’s Hatred

Hyper-Calvinism may contend that some passages of Scripture prove that God does not love the non-elect.  For example, the Bible states:

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (Romans 9:13)

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. (Psalm 5:5)

5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. 6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. 7 For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.” (Psalm 11:5-7)

These passages clearly teach that God hates the wicked. But they do not say that God does NOT love them at the same time.  Jehovah is perfectly capable of having love in one sense for a wicked person while hating him in a different sense. Indeed, Psalm 5:5 states that God hates “all” workers of iniquity, so even the elect, before they believe, are hated by God in one sense while being eternally loved by Him in a different sense. If God can love and hate the elect at the same time in different senses, He is perfectly capable of doing the same for the non-elect.

Furthermore, Romans 9:13 is not even about the individuals Jacob and Esau. Paul quotes Malachi 1:2-3, which speaks of God’s special blessings on the nation of Israel, blessings withheld from the nation of Edom.  Consider Malachi 1:1-5:

1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. 2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. 4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. 5 And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The LORD will be magnified from the border of Israel. (Malachi 1:1-5)

Romans 9:13 never denies that God loved Esau—God is able to love sinners in one sense while hating them in another.  More fundamentally, Romans 9:13 is not even about the individual people Jacob and Esau at all, except insofar as they are the progenitors of the nations of Israel and Edom.

These passages of Scripture are simply taken out of context by hyper-Calvinism.

Hyper-Calvinism Employs Exegetical and Logical Fallacies

When Arguing God Does Not Love the Non-Elect:

Texts on God’s Special Love

Advocates of hyper-Calvinism can also argue that Scripture speaks of God’s love in passages that limit His love to the elect. There are indeed passages of Scripture that show that Jehovah has a special love for His believing people. However, this no more denies that God loves the non-elect than does the fact that a Christian husband has a special love for his wife proves that the husband hates everyone else. Hyper-Calvinism needs texts of Scripture that affirm that God does not love some people, not passages that say God does love some people.  There simply are no such texts in God’s Word.

Hyper-Calvinism Makes Further Exegetical

and Historical Fallacies

Hyper-Calvinism also makes other fallacious exegetical arguments. Indeed, hyper-Calvinism does not even accurately represent the teaching of John Calvin. Calvin, speaking about the rich young ruler in Mark 10:21, wrote: “Jesus beholding him, loved him [Mark 10:21]. … [A]ll the creatures of God, without exception, are the objects of his love. … God is sometimes said to love those whom he does not approve or justify … Christ … love[d] a man [like the rich young ruler] who was proud and a hypocrite, while nothing is more hateful to God than these two vices[.] (John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on a Harmony of the Evangelists Matthew, Mark, and Luke, vol. 2 [Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010], 398–399.)

Thus, the teaching of hyper-Calvinism that God does not love every individual grossly misinterprets Scripture while also misinterpreting history. Even John Calvin did not teach the hyper-Calvinist notion that God loves only the elect. Since neither the Bible, nor even John Calvin, taught this false idea, you should not teach or believe it either. Reject such a slander on the character of God and recognize that “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). Please read God Does Not Love Everyone: A Hyper-Calvinist Error for more information.

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God does NOT love everyone? A Hyper-Calvinist Error, part 2 of 3

Is it true that God does NOT love everyone? Hyper-Calvinism says “yes!” Scripture says “no!”  In part 1 of 3 in this series, I summarized the first portion of my recent composition God Does Not Love Everyone: A Hyper-Calvinist Error. John 3:16, Mark 10:21, and 1 John 2:2 refute the hyper-Calvinist idea that God loves only the elect. Scripture is plain that God loves the entire world-every single person.

 

If Hyper-Calvinists Were Right,

Then Christians Should Not Love Their Enemies

 

Christians should be like God. If God loves every person, then they should love all men.  If God has nothing but an everlasting hatred for the non-elect, then they should strive with all their might to purge out any love that they have for lost sinners from their bosoms and have nothing but an eternal and everlasting hatred for them, (allegedly) like God.  However, the Lord Jesus taught:

 

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:43-48)

 

Christians must love their enemies because God loves His enemies.  When they love their wicked, unregenerate, Christ-and-Christian hating enemies, they are being like their Father in heaven. The Sermon on the Mount does not say, “Love your elect enemies and bless the elect when they curse and hate you. If the non-elect do it, though, show eternal hatred to them.” Believers must “increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men” (1 Thessalonians 3:12-13) because God loves all men, not the elect alone.

 

The Quran Agrees with Hyper-Calvinism,

but the Bible does Not

 

Hyper-Calvinists need specific passages that teach God does NOT love the majority of the world that rejects Christ and is eternally lost. It would not have been hard for God to include such statements in the Bible. After all, the Quran is filled with them. For example:

 

 

Q 2:276 Allah hath blighted usury and made almsgiving fruitful. Allah loveth not the impious and guilty.

Q 3:32 Say: Obey Allah and the messenger. But if they turn away, lo! Allah loveth not the disbelievers (in His guidance).

Q 3:57 And as for those who believe and do good works, He will pay them their wages in full. Allah loveth not wrong-doers.

 

The Quran is full of such statements-when I went through the Quran from cover to cover as part of my preparation for my debate with the Muslim apologist Shabir Ally I found the seemingly constant drum-beat of Allah’s lack of love for this group and that group a sharp contrast with the teaching of God’s Word, the Bible.

 

While the idea that God does not love unbelievers is all over the Quran, the number of statements in holy Scripture such as “God does not love person X” or “God does not love people like Y” are equal in number to the statements such as “Christ did not die for person X” or “Christ did not die for group Y”–namely, zero.  Both limited atonement and the hyper-Calvinist doctrine of God’s lack of love for the vast majority of mankind are completely absent from Scripture.

 

Please read God Does Not Love Everyone: A Hyper-Calvinist Error for more information.

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God does NOT love everyone? A Hyper-Calvinist Error, part 1 of 3

Is it true that God does NOT love everyone?  That is the teaching of hyper-Calvinism.  I recently put together a study entitled God Does Not Love Everyone: A Hyper-Calvinist Error where I examine that question.  I will be summarizing the argument from that larger study in three blog posts. Please read the larger work using the link above for more information.

 

God Loves The Entire World,

So the Idea that God Does Not Love the Non-Elect is False

 

John 3:16 reads: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”  This passage plainly teaches that God loves everyone in the world, and the word “world” does not mean “the world of the elect” as hyper-Calvinists and many Calvinists allege. None of the 187 uses of the Greek word kosmos (“world”) in the New Testament use the word “world” of the “world of the elect.”  This Calvinist idea is simply reading into Scripture what it does not say.  1 John 2:2 specifically distinguishes between the elect and the world while positing that Christ died for not the elect alone, but also for the whole world:

 

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

John 3:16 is conclusive proof that God loves the entire world—including those who never believe and consequently perish in their sins.

 

Jesus Christ Loved Individual Non-Elect

And Eternally Lost Sinners: God Does Not Love Only the Elect

The Lord Jesus’ love for the unconverted rich young ruler proves that God’s love is not limited to the elect alone:

 

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. 22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. 23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? 27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible. (Mark 10:17-27)

 

The Son of God loved this unconverted hypocrite whom Scripture presents as a paradigm of large groups of lost men who trust in their riches. The Lord Jesus Christ clearly does not love the elect alone.  His love for the rich young ruler is an instance of the eternal love manifested by the Father, Son, and Spirit towards the fallen and lost world spoken of in John 3:16.

 

Please read God Does Not Love Everyone: A Hyper-Calvinist Error to learn more. The What is Truth? blog also has a variety of articles on Calvinism.

 

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The Theology of John Wesley and Its Impact on the Methodist and Wesleyan Churches (Part Two)

Part One

John and Charles Wesley and George Whitefield began their search for the truth within the infrastructure of the Church of England in the early 18th century.  John started the formal Christian religious denomination, the Methodists, with a break from the Moravians after having been an ordained Anglican cleric.  No one sent him.  He operated as a free agent without authority to start what he wanted, maybe listening to a mystical voice-in-his-head.  Perhaps he gave up because he thought nothing represented the truth as he saw it.  Others have done the same in starting new religions with unique belief and practice.

Holiness

A chief concern for the Wesleys, as seen in their writings and those of others who heard them, was the lack of holiness among those professing Christianity.  They expected a more strict lifestyle in accordance with moral law.  I understand that assessment.  However, what causes this absence of holiness among those who call themselves Christian?  Their conclusion was an observable deficiency of discipline, a need of a different method, hence Methodism.

Scripture, however, shows that holiness comes as fruit of the Holy Spirit through true conversion.  You can’t whip it up or pull it up by the bootstraps.  The Church of England still advocated a false gospel like unto Roman Catholicism from which it proceeded.  Unbelief will not produce holy living.  The ritual of sacrament and ceremony doesn’t cause holiness.

Nonetheless, the Wesleys wanted more holiness among professing Christians.  Under the patch work of disparate theological influences, the Wesleys styled a view of the atonement to generate the greatest personal holiness.  They rejected straight judicial, penal substitution with its imputed righteousness for what men now call, “participatory atonement.”

Grace Alone?

Roman Catholicism says grace saves us.  Mormonism says grace saves us.  Almost every Christian denomination or religion says grace saves us.  If you asked the Judaizers in Galatia whether grace saved us, surely they would also answer, “yes.”  A unique sect of Christianity could easily say that grace alone saves us.  The Wesleys taught that at the moment of the new birth God imparts to someone the power or ability to live holy.  This impartation comes through a mystical experience one has in participating with the death of Christ.

John Wesley had a problem with the teaching that imputed righteousness justifies a sinner.  He received imputed righteousness, but it pardoned only his past sin.  At that point, God imparted righteousness that enabled him to strive for holiness and live a holy life.  These good works are required for salvation.

With Methodist or Wesleyan doctrine, someone may receive righteousness by faith, but faith that comes through the experience.  The experience includes repentance.  In the works of John Wesley, you can read of conversations in 1744 between the Wesleys and a few others to form a catechism of questions and answers.  It read:

But must not repentance and works meet for repentance, go before this faith? Without doubt; if by repentance you mean conviction of sin, and by works meet for repentance, obeying God as we can, forgiving our brother, leaving off from evil, doing good, and using his ordinances according to the power we have received.

Baptism and Eternal Security

According to this, a faith that might justify would only do so through works meet for repentance.  In addition, concerning baptism John Wesley said:

What are the benefits we receive by baptism, is the next point to be considered. And the first of these is, the washing away the guilt of original sin, by the application of the merits of Christ’s death. . . . . By baptism, we who were “by nature children of wrath” are made the children of God.

The perfectionism of the Wesleys meant that with their view of sin, someone could live a technically sinless life.  This theory of participatory atonement required participation.  Without it, someone could lose his salvation.  In the same catechism referred above, the Wesleys said:

Are works necessary to the continuance of faith? Without doubt, for many forfeit the free gift of God, either by sins of omission or commission. Can faith be lost for want of works? It cannot but through disobedience.

You can find statements where it seems that John Wesley did believe in salvation by grace alone through faith in Jesus Christ alone.  Yet, if you can lose salvation, who is doing the saving?  Some of what he wrote seems to agree with judicial, penal substitution.  All of that you must also see in the context of everything else he wrote and said that contradicts penal substitution.  Then today you look at the fruit in Methodist and Wesleyan belief and practice.

The Unholy Fruit

Holiness doesn’t just happen.  It comes the way scripture explains that it comes.  Holiness won’t occur through a different means than what God says.  That proves itself out too.  Methodists and Wesleyans might call themselves holiness, but their deficient and skewed beliefs won’t produce true holiness.  This manifests itself over a period, where the trajectory of personal living moves away from holiness.

Holiness is an attribute of God.  People don’t live holy without God.  The holiness people receive comes through true conversion and the atonement of true conversion is penal substitution.  Other views of atonement are not true or scriptural and they do not provide for holiness.  The failure to live holy comes from not receiving holiness by grace through faith.

The Wesleys taught faith as the threshold of holiness.  It opened for someone the opportunity for a process.  If that process did not end in perfection, that person was not saved.

Confusion or Clarity?

If you are reading this post and confused about what Wesley believed, join the club.  It’s difficult to sort through what he said, perhaps nothing as so plainly muddled as reading a sermon he preached, “The Scripture Way of Salvation.”  I found it almost impossible to understand.  His teaching made it very difficult to have assurance of salvation.  On many different occasions in his lifetime, through letters he expressed extreme doubt, surely because of his convoluted understanding of salvation.

Salvation is clear in the Bible in contrast to salvation of Wesleyan and Methodist teaching.  Paul taught grace and works as mutually exclusive.  Romans 11:6 says:

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

One who adds works to grace, like the Wesleys did, “Christ profits [them] nothing” and they become “debtor[s] to do the whole law.”  Jesus is clear.  Paul is clear.  The Wesleys were not and Wesleyan and Methodist belief, teaching, and practice are the fruit of that.

 

 

Baptism & Salvation Debate Page, Douglas Jacoby

I have created a page for resources on the Douglas Jacoby-Thomas Ross debate on baptism.  Both parts of the debate video, as well as links to the places where the debate is live on Rumble and on YouTube, the blog posts where the speakers answered questions from the audience that were not discussed in the debate proper, and further resources, are all on this page.  I would, therefore, recommend that you visit this page in the future and make it your point of reference if you share the debate with others.

 

Click Here For the Page on the Douglas Jacoby / Thomas Ross Debate, “We Are Born Again Before Baptism” (part 1) and “We Are Born Again In Baptism” (part 2)

 

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