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James White / Thomas Ross Bible Version Debate (KJV vs LSB) is Now Live!

I am happy to report that you can now watch the James White / Thomas Ross debate on Bible versions (the King James Version Only debate)!  The topic was:

 

“The Legacy Standard Bible, as a representative of modern English translations based upon the UBS/NA text, is superior to the KJV, as a representative of TR-based Bible translations.”

 

James White was in the affirmative.

Thomas Ross was in the negative.

 

The debate can now be viewed on the following sites (click for your choice): FaithSaves   Rumble   YouTube

 

It can also be watched using the embedded video below:

Please “like” the video on YouTube and Rumble and share comments about it on those websites as well as on the blog here.

 

I am thankful for the work put in by the follower of James White who edited the video.  I would like to have a somewhat improved version where one can see both the debaters and the slides at the same time, instead of only one or the other, and if that project gets completed, we will definitely plan to inform the blog readership about it.

 

May the truth of the perfect preservation of His infallible Word be more widely received as a result of this debate.  Soli Deo Gloria!

 

Please also read the James White / Thomas Ross Bible Version debate review, part 1, here (with more to come) or watch the video on FaithSaves, Rumble or YouTube.  Lord willing, there are more parts to come reviewing the debate and its arguments.

TDR

James White / Thomas Ross Debate Review Video #1

After my debate with James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, James posted his post-debate thoughts. (I have also written a few thoughts.)  I was quite surprised to hear him make affirmations about my character such as that he “knew” I was “not intending to” bring the audience along with me, that I had a “really, really deep disrespect for the audience,” that “Ross didn’t care. He wasn’t debating for us,” that I did not understand what a text type was, or even “anything like that at all,” and so on, rather than expositing Scripture on its own preservation or demonstrating that even one quotation in my presentation, or one fact I pointed out, was inaccurate.  I believe that the fact that he spent his post-debate analysis attacking me instead of dealing with my arguments may tell you something about how the debate went–I was very thankful for the blessing of the Lord in the debate itself for the cause of God’s truth.  (Let me just add that not one of the thoughts James claims that he “knew” about my motives and so on, to my recollection, even entered my mind one time before I heard him make them in his post-debate analysis.)

 

The debate video itself, Lord willing, will be live soon; it takes a lot more work to get a video like that done than it does to create a video where I am just ruminating about the debate.  Feel free to subscribe to my Rumble and YouTube channels to get notified as soon as the video becomes available.

 

You can watch my initial post-debate response, giving my thoughts on how it went, as well as responding to James White’s allegations, with the embedded video below, at faithsaves.net, on Rumble, or on YouTube.

 

My sincere thanks again to those who prayed for me and for those who helped in many other ways.

TDR

 

My Initial Thoughts on The James White Debate (KJV/TR vs. LSB/NA/UBS)

I am thankful for everyone who prayed for me in the debate with James White over the topic:

“The Legacy Standard Bible, as a representative of modern English translations based upon the UBS/NA text, is superior to the KJV, as a representative of TR-based Bible translations.”

 

Thank you!

 

I believe that, for His glory and by His grace, the Lord answered the prayers of His people and the debate went well.  God is concerned that His pure Word be in use among His people, and I believe He blessed the debate towards the furtherance of that cause.

 

Thank you as well to everyone who helped with all kinds of details, small and great, with the debate.  Without you it would the case for the truth of the perfect preservation of Scripture would have been much less effectively presented.  Thank you very much!

 

We arrived in Tennessee the day before the debate.  Our flights were fine on the way out, and on the way back (although THE PLANE WENT DOWN!!!   -but only when it got to the runway at the airport).  My wife and I had dinner with James White the night before the debate and had a cordial conversation.

 

We are thankful for the help of a godly KJVO Baptist in the area who helped us with things from making sure that we would be able to project slides (something was worked out with the pastor at the Reformed Baptist congregation where the debate was being held) to a way to print our notes (the church had no printer available, nor any WiFi there for me to even have my notes on an IPad–that is why it was not livestreamed.) It was recorded by a professional videographer, so it should be high quality once it comes out, Lord willing.  Please pray for the production of the video, as there have been some issues there that are quite important and could seriously impact its effectiveness.

 

The people at Covenant Reformed Baptist Church of Tullahoma, TN were kind to us.  The pastor, who makes a living rebinding Bibles, presented us with a beautifully bound KJV Bible (he gave a similarly beautifully bound LSB to James White).  So if you need you need a Bible rebound, he may be worth considering for you.

 

James White was not quite as cordial in the debate as he had been at dinner the night before, in my opinion, but I suppose I will let you decide that when you watch the debate video.  I was particularly struck by the fact that, despite pressing him on it, and the obvious fact that Biblical promises of perfect preservation, and the recognition of the canonical words of Scripture by the church were crucial to my case, he still did very little to dispute my case from Scripture, nor to present a Biblical basis for his own position.  I am still not sure if he thinks there are any promises from the Bible that indicate that God would preserve every Word He inspired, or if he just thinks that we have them, or almost all of them, somewhere, because of what textual critics like Kurt Aland say, or at least according to him they say, although his view of Kurt Aland may not be Kurt Aland’s view of Kurt Aland.

 

Overall, I think that the debate went well, and that the case for perfect preservation, and its necessary consequence of the superiority of the TR/KJV to the UBS/LSB, was clear. However, I am also well aware that I am biased in favor of my position, so you will have to watch the debate yourself to see if you agree.

 

The slides we had prepared–many of which were used in the debate, while others were not–are available at the main debate page here if you want to get a sense of what my argument was or what is going to be on the debate video, Lord willing.  I asked Dr. White if he wished to put his slides up there as well so that both of our presentations had an equal representation, but he has not responded to me as of now, whether because he is very busy or for some other reason.

 

There is much more that can be said about the debate, but that will be enough for now.  Thank you again for your prayers, and all the glory to the one God, the Father who gave the canonical words of Scripture to the Son, so that He could give them to the assembly of His saints by His Spirit.

 

TDR

The Servant Song of Isaiah 53 (Isaiah 52:13-53:12)

How is your grasp of the glorious servant song of Isaiah 53 (specifically Isaiah 52:13-53:12)? As part of the series on how to teach an evangelistic Bible study, I have taught through the passage verse-by-verse.  Knowledge of Isaiah 53 is not only edifying, but it is helpful for Jews, for Muslims (who say Christ never died a substitutionary death and rose again, but this was added into the New Testament–so why is it in the Old Testament?), for atheists and agnostics who deny the reality of predictive prophecy in the Bible, and for anyone else who simply needs the truth in this passage, the “Gospel according to Isaiah.”  The series through Isaiah 53 is now complete.  If you would like to listen to the series–or watch the entire series on how to teach an evangelistic Bible study here–see an example of how to lead these here and get copies of the studies here (or get a Word doc here to personalize for use in your church), please watch the embedded videos below or click on the link here.  If they are edifying, please “like” the videos and feel free to share a comment.

 

Note–the first video completes the discussion of a different topic before getting into Isaiah 52:13-53:12.

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TDR

James White / Thomas Ross debate format: King James Version vs. LSB

I am looking forward to my upcoming debate with Dr. James White. Please note the planned format below for the debate. Thank you very much for your fervent prayers and possible fasting for me and for the debate.

James White Thomas Ross King James Bible Legacy Standard Bible debate Textus Receptus Nestle Aland

Debate Topic: “The Legacy Standard Bible, as a representative of modern English translations based upon the UBS/NA text, is superior to the KJV, as a representative of TR-based Bible translations.”

 

Affirm: James White

 

Deny: Thomas Ross

 

How the time will go:

 

Brief introduction to the speakers and an explanation of the character of the debate.

 

Opening presentation: 25/25

Second presentation/rebuttal: 12/12

Cross-examination #1: 10/10

Cross-examination #2: 10/10

Third presentation/rebuttal: 8/8

Concluding statement: 5/5

Very short break to gather any additional questions from the audience

Questions from audience the rest of the time.

 

For more information, see the James White / Thomas Ross debate page here.

Go-To Page for the James White / Thomas Ross Bible Text and Version Debate

Thank you to all readers who are praying and/or fasting for me and for God’s kingdom and truth to be glorified and advanced in my upcoming debate with James White.

I have created a go-to page with information about the debate.  Links to the video should be posted there when it becomes available, as well as being accessible on the KJB1611 YouTube and KJBIBLE1611 Rumble channels.  The go-to page should be updated with specific debate times in case you wish to attend in person, as well as the debate livestream link which we are hoping to make available.  So:

Click here to visit the go-to page for the James White / Thomas Ross Bible Text and Version Debate

TDR

Psalm 77 Podcast Series for Christian Ladies

My wife, Heather Ross, has taught a series of podcasts through Psalm 77, for Christian ladies.  Approximately once a week these should go up until Psalm 77 is covered.  That is, at the end there should be 21 podcasts (one for each verse, and an introductory lesson).  Women who fear God can listen to the podcast series, “Tethered to Truth: A Podcast for Christian Ladies (Series on Psalm 77)” on my YouTube channel here.  They can be notified about new podcasts by subscribing to the KJB1611 YouTube channel.

 

There are also some new weblinks if you wish to share the channel with others:

 

https://www.youtube.com/c/KJB1611Baptist

https://youtube.com/@KJB1611Baptist

 

The world would be a better place if people read more and watched videos less, but since things are the way they are, publishing God’s truth in a way that people can watch and listen to it can still help many.

 

I suspect this is obvious to the vast majority of readers of this blog, but 1 Timothy 2 teaches that women are not to provide authoritative teaching or preaching to men. So if you are a man, I would encourage you to listen to some of the great preaching at Bethel Baptist Church or find other sources of Biblical encouragement and let the righteous women listen to this Psalm 77 series.

USS San Francisco and the Battle of Guadalcanal, Lands End, Golden Gate Recreation Area

San Francisco has some very interesting historical monuments. At Lands End in the Golden Gate Recreation Area, there is a monument commemorating the naval battle of Guadalcanal in World War II and the USS San Francisco, the lead ship that fought the Japanese army there.  The next stop for Japan after Guadalcanal was Australia. U.S. Marines landed on Guadalcanal August 7, 1942, capturing and secured the airfield. The Marines fought for months against thousands of Japanese soldiers attempting to regain control of the airfield.

 

A short video about the USS San Francisco and the Battle of Guadalcanal is below:

You can also click here to view the video on YouTube.

Click here to view the video on Rumble.

 

Japan’s Vice Admiral Hiroaki Abe was dispatched to bombard and land troops on Guadalcanal. Rear Admiral Daniel J. Callaghan, on board his flagship the USS San Francisco (CA-38), a 10,000 ton treaty cruiser, was directed to intercept the Japanese naval strike force. On November 12, near Guadalcanal, a damaged enemy plane crashed into the USS San Francisco, destroying the aft control station, killing and wounding 51 men. With a crippled flagship, RADM Callaghan bravely prepared his task force for this imminent battle, which began at 1:48 a.m. Friday the 13 of November 1942. Never in the history of modern warfare had U.S. Naval Forces clashed with enemy ships at collision range in a pitch-black night. This battle is also the only U. S. Naval surface ship engagement in which two American admirals were killed in action: RADM Daniel J. Callaghan on the USS San Francisco (CA-38) and RADM Norman Scott on the USS Atlanta (CL-51). A total of more than 6,000 men on both sides were killed or wounded. The USS San Francisco, severely damaged, limped home to receive a new bridge and other major repairs at the Mare Island Naval Shipyard. She then returned to sea to give battle and bombardment support for landings and occupations in the Pacific. This battle of November 13, 1942, was a major turning point of World War II. It prevented the possible loss of Henderson Field, thus saving Australia from the planned invasion. It marked the beginning of victory in the Pacific.

 

TDR

Objections to the Resurrection of Jesus Christ: Are there answers?

The bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is at the core of the Christian faith. Without the resurrection, the gospel is not “good news,” but absurd deceit. As 1 Corinthians 15 explains:

 

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. … 12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

 

What are the Major Objections to Christ’s Resurrection?

 

How would you respond to someone who denies the resurrection of Christ, making one or more of the following arguments:

1.) “The disciples stole Christ’s body.”

2.) “Christ did not die, but only swooned/passed out on the cross and appeared to be dead. Then He came out of the grave after the cool tomb revived Him, and so appeared to have risen from the dead, when in fact He never died.”

3.) “The post-resurrection appearances of Christ were just hallucinations or visions.”

4.) “Christ did not rise from the dead because it is a miracle. ANY explanation is more likely than a miracle, because David Hume has proven miracles are impossible when he wrote:

 

A miracle is a violation of the laws of nature; and as a firm and unalterable experience has established these laws, the proof against a miracle, from the very nature of the fact, is as entire as any argument from experience can possibly be imagined.… Nothing is esteemed a miracle, if it ever happen in the common course of nature.… [I]t is a miracle, that a dead man should come to life; because that has never been observed, in any age or country. There must, therefore, be a uniform experience against every miraculous event, otherwise the event would not merit that appellation. And as a uniform experience amounts to a proof, there is here a direct and full proof, from the nature of the fact, against the existence of any miracle; nor can such a proof be destroyed, or the miracle rendered credible, but by an opposite proof, which is superior. (David Hume, Of Miracles)

 

A version of argument number four came up in my PATAS debate with the president of the Philippines ATheist/Agnosticism, and Secularism organization in the Philippines (also on Rumble here).


The atheist argued that aliens stole the body of Christ and made it look like Christ really rose from the dead. His point was that anything is more likely than a miracle–making David Hume’s argument above, albeit in a less sophisticated and even more problematic way than Hume made it. (We posted about the PATAS debate on the blog here, while Shabir Ally also attacked the gospel accounts as discussed here.)

 

How would you answer these objections?

 

In my series on how to teach an evangelistic Bible study, we discuss these objections in the class sessions starting with 4.8, the eighth study on how to teach Bible study #4, on the gospel–the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. So if you would like answers, please click here to check out the teaching sessions starting with section 4.8.  Written material dealing with the resurrection can also be found here.

 

-TDR

Learn New Testament Greek–Last Chance for Fall 2022

As I indicated in a previous post, I am scheduled to teach New Testament Greek, Lord willing, to a number of distance students this Fall.  It has been suggested, for the benefit of those who are busy with jobs and other matters, that we go at a somewhat slower pace. Therefore the content of first semester Greek is getting divided over two semesters.  So if you are interested, but thought you would have difficulty keeping up, perhaps you can reconsider.  In any case, we are starting soon, so this is your last chance if you want to sign up.

The current proposed schedule is (BBG stands for Basics of Biblical Greek by William Mounce, and BBGW is the course workbook):

Week of 9/5/22: Class #1: BBG 1-4 video

Week of 9/12/22: Class #2: BBG 5-6 video

9/19/22: Class #3: BBG 7 video & SKG 1-9

9/27/22: Live zoom session

(week break for special meetings, Lighthouse Baptist Church)

10/10/22: Class #4: BBG 8-9 video & SKG 10-11 (A-B)

10/17/22: Class #5: BBGW 8

10/24/22: Class #6: BBGW 9

11/1/22: Live zoom session

11/7/22: Class #7: BBG 10

11/14/22: Class #8: BBG 11-12 & WI 1-20 & SKG 27-29 (remember you only need to memorize words occurring 50x or more, while words 30-50x might be extra credit on tests; please also read the introduction).

11/28/22: Class #9: BBGW 10

12/5/22: Class #10: BBGW 11

12/13/22: Live zoom session

12/19/22: Class #11: BBGW 12

Winter break

1/09/23: Class #12: BBG 13-14 SKG 11-12 (C) WI 21-23

1/16/23: Class #13: BBGW 13-14

1/24/23: Live zoom session

1/30/23: Class #14: BBGW 14 (completed)

2/06/23: Class #15: BBGW 10-14 review & 1 John 1:5-2:5 translation

The test over BBG up through chapter 14 must be completed within a week after class #16 (and can be taken any time prior to then when students feel ready for students in individual settings. Students enrolling as a group in a Bible institute will take tests in conjunction with their local disciplers.)

2/14/23: Live zoom session

2/20/23: Class #16: BBG 15-16 SKG 12-13 (D) WI 24-31.

2/27/23: Class #17: BBG 17

3/6/23: Class #18: BBG 18, BBGW 15-16

3/13/23: Class #19: BBG19 SKG 13-14 (A) WI 32-46 BBGW 17

3/21/23: Live zoom session

3/27/23: Class #20: BBG20 & BBGW 18 SKG 14-15 (B-C) WI 47-53

4/3/23: Class #21: BBGW 19

Spring break

4/18/23: Live zoom session

4/24/23: Class #22: BBG 20

5/1/23: Class #23: BBGW 20

5/8/23: Class #24: BBGW Chapters 15-20 review

5/15/23: Class #25: final recorded semester review

5/23/23: Live zoom session

Semester final exam over L10-20 due by 6/9/23.

 

You can see the webpage here and the What is Truth? post here for more information, and then contact me here if your church has people who are interested.

 

TDR

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