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My Conversations with Numerous Exvangelicals
Exvangelical sounds like either a misspelling or a bit too much cleverness, I would agree, but for the sake of this post, I’m sticking with a word of which I’m reading its contemporary usage. Of all the words in the title, it gets your attention because it doesn’t sound like a word. Perhaps I’ll help you in future Scrabble endeavors.I regularly knock on doors of young, ex evangelicals, who grew up in church or a Christian home. Now they aren’t going to church and a large majority of the time, they don’t have the faith any longer. It is occurring and even as many of you readers know at an epidemic level. Churches are hemorrhaging their young people. Social media spreads the idea like a virus, and all the new forms of communication instantly create an interconnectedness in these exvangelicals that strengthens them against repentance or a return. They bind together and encourage one another in their apostasy. For those related, this is very, very sad, as sad an occurrence as they experience in their lives, putting new wrinkles on their faces and more grey in their hair.I’ve had many long conversations with some of these young exvangelicals. I haven’t gone out of my way to talk with them. It’s just happened. Even though they may come from varied backgrounds and situations and different types of evangelical churches, they are all very similar. For two reasons, I’m writing on this subject: the long talks with young exvangelicals in person and an article that was written by a Grayson Gilbert at Patheos, entitled, “I’m Not All That Impressed With Exvangelical Deconstruction Stories.” Gilbert is the polar opposite in that he started where exvangelicals have ended, so he was where they presently are, except seeing it from a unique perspective.I don’t write this post to critique Gilbert’s piece, although I may refer to it, but to write mainly what I have found myself, and then discuss my approach to these exvangelicals. When I meet one of them, I don’t know they’re there. I haven’t targeted them. They just appear without notice and the conversation starts like all the other ones I have. In the midst of it, they start telling me some of their backstory usually to explain why it is that they might not need to listen to what I have to say. They say they’ve already heard and thought about it a lot, and they turned away from it for various reasons. Almost always part of their narrative is some kind of injustice in the group they left, that justifies their having left it. In other words, something also happened that they didn’t like, so they can’t go back to it for personal reasons, which also serves to validate their decision. If they were to return, they now contend would support the evil of the former group.What I have to say to them doesn’t bring back exvangelicals, but it has resulted in longer conversations, where it seems to me that they’re giving my preaching at least a consideration. Like what we read in scripture, the real reason for their defection is why they are very difficult to persuade, so I see myself as just planting seed, giving them the best possible opportunity to come to the truth. That’s all we can do anyway.Why would exvangelicals eject from Christianity or biblical Christianity at least, if biblical Christianity is the truth?Assume that not every exvangelical will want to talk with you. They might be hostile. Many times they will talk though. I’ll ask, what happened that you left your group? Or, why aren’t you in the church any more? Many times they’ll give an answer. I sympathize with them. A lot of churches and groups have real problems. One of the reasons that we can say they’re wrong though is because we can know the truth about what’s wrong, which also means we can know the truth about what’s right. It would bother me though if the wrong thing was just normally or regularly allowed. I understand why someone would want to leave, it’s like you’re paddling out to an island that has little to do with the mainland. Why should you keep putting in that effort?However, just because your church or group went off or way off the rails, that doesn’t mean that the Bible or Christianity itself are not true. I am here to say that Jesus Christ is the best, really the only valid explanation for why we’re here and what we’re supposed to be doing.From here, I treat exvangelicals a bit like people who say they’re atheists. I ask, “So do you think all of this, all of this around us, got here by accident?” It is very, very rare that I have anyone answer, yes, to that question. I remind them that everything getting here by accident is the view taught in the state schools and it still can’t even be challenged there. The viewpoint that represents, naturalism, the more we know from science, the more it’s proven to be false. Darwin looked at a cell and it was just a blob. Now we can see it under a microscope, and even the cell is irreducibly complex, let alone the human eye or any of our bodily systems.Science now agrees everything must have a beginning. There can be no eternal regression of causes. Since the explanation for everything is supernatural, what is the true story? What is the first cause? When we look at what is caused, because we know it’s caused, it matches with the Bible.I talk to many, many religions, and I believe that every time I talk to one, I’m open to it being the truth. Nothing comes close to comparing to biblical Christianity. Christianity is different than everything else, because it is objective truth. It has proof. The Bible is historical, scholars agree with that. Then there is prophecy and fulfilled prophecy.Greater than every other evidence of Christianity is Jesus Christ Himself. How do you explain Him? More has been written about Him than about all other historical figures combined. There is more historical attestation of Jesus than Julius Caesar. We date our calendars based upon Him. In His writings, He speaks with absolute authority. Who could say, Blessed are the poor in spirit; for theirs is the kingdom of heaven? What He said could not have been said by someone who was just a man. Then He rose from the dead just like He said He would, and after walking around for forty days so thousands of people could see Him, who were alive when the New Testament was written, He ascended into heaven before over 500 of witnesses.Everything in the Bible fits together. It fits what we know to have happened. When people have based their lives upon the Bible, they have thrived. Its principles bring the success of a nation.You’ve finally got to bite down on something. You’ve got to make a choice and Christianity blows away the other choices. You could say that you don’t like the kind of proof of Christianity. I like to say that the knowledge of the existence of God and the truth of the Bible is not like the knowledge of the existence of your right foot. You don’t need to seek after your right foot. God wants you to seek after Him. You won’t find Him if you don’t want Him, and that’s how He’s designed it. But the proof is there.Faith according to the Bible is not a leap in the dark. It’s based on evidence. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (Hebrews 11:6). God does want you to know Him. The Pharisees and Sadducees of Jesus’ day wanted an astronomical sign, and Jesus said He wasn’t providing any more (Matthew 16:1-4). He was saying, there’s enough. I like to say, for anyone who cares, there is enough.If the proof isn’t the reason for rejection, then what is the reason? Romans 1 says men have enough proof to justify God’s wrath. They are holding fast or suppressing the truth in their unrighteousness. 2 Peter 3 says it’s because of their lust. They want what they want to do more than what God wants them to do. They want to be in charge of their own lives.So exvangelical, just because you had a bad experience, you think, as a child or young adult, doesn’t mean Christianity is false. For there to be hypocrisy, there needs to be a belief in something. If there is no belief, no one can be a hypocrite. Don’t be upset at hypocrisy when you can’t even be a hypocrite.So why not bite down? You’re not open minded unless you are willing to believe something. If not, then you’re just closing your mind to everything. You can always say that you don’t have enough evidence, but you’re just rejecting what is by far the best explanation. Really, it’s the only explanation.Why take God’s free air, food, your circulatory system, your brain, all the good things, and be unthankful? Use them all up for yourself without any kind of gratefulness to God? That’s just rebellious. You’re not going to get away with it. You’ll get to the end and you’ll be separated from God and His goodness forever. It won’t be over for you. You’ll regret for all eternity.
Many of the churches that I used to go to were like what you described earlier. They had problems, and many of their problems were reconcilable from a Biblical basis, but they weren’t interested in that. It was more about fitting in with the way the world is moving, using various modern versions and the ideas contained within them, and reinterpreting things to fit that perspective. They were made to fit the modern world, as if things had been off-track until today. Many of them were also very Zionist, adapting the gospel perhaps even, although they always kept things nice and ambiguous in order to please as many crowds as they could. But the gradual drift has been to be more and more accomodating to these groups. Long after I left, the same groups have become even more accomodating, and moved even farther out into the open on this with their false gospel (such as ‘messianic Judaism’ and similar groups) as it becomes more socially acceptable within the subculture, similar to how Billy Graham by the end of his career was far more open about what he truly believed. Earlier on, he couldn’t have been so open about it or he would never have gotten to where he was. Similar to Graham, Judas Iscariot also blended in to the group so that no one particularly marked him out before his betrayal. You have preachers today teaching that Christ did not come to be the Messiah, and the people of God is some foreign group. And let’s be honest, it has a political advantage. You help out or subscribe your name, your church to the Zionist movement, and money becomes available. People with money suddenly become willing to support you, who would not have been willing to without this condition. But is it right?
I say no, and I also say that not only does this involve supporting the groups that actively promote – sodomy, multiculturalism and abortion industries, as well as the culture that writes (let’s face it) much of the scripts for the Hollywood films and television shows that are progressively corrupting our world and information environment – not only does this involve tacitly supporting all of that, it also involves turning away people who love our Lord and see this corruption in the network of churches as it is spreading further, and growing more noxious in its self-contradiction as the years go by. I would know, because I have been one of the people who was turned away. If you want to stand as the pillar and ground of the truth, then you have to follow the Bible— the whole Bible— including the part that says, “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” That’s 1 John 2:22-23.
You have to keep the word of God, including the part where it says,
“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
— 2 John v. 9-11.
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Sure thing, glad to help. Thanks.
No comment to that? Ok, what about where it says in James 2:1,
“My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.”
I am just going to assume from here on, you have no disagreement with these things. But I agree with your article overall and find that it is true, and hopefully I have made it sufficiently clear what I am talking about.